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+ | This is a disarray of links. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Ran accross this very interesting [http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/09/2035206 Sixth (EM) Sense]! | ||
+ | |||
+ | ==Online Resources== | ||
+ | * http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html | ||
+ | * [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-prius/message/86635 Free Hybrid Parking?] | ||
+ | * [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/message/44713 EV List Archives] | ||
+ | * http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/ | ||
+ | |||
+ | ==Space Elevator== | ||
+ | * [http://www.isr.us/Downloads/niac_pdf/contents.html Hay, It's Electric!] | ||
+ | * [http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8976160/ Nanotube Sheet!] | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Policies / Climate Change == | ||
+ | * [http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/index.php unfiltered Iraq ''News''] For those who thing everything is rosey. | ||
+ | * [http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/14/opinion/14rich.html?pagewanted=1 Someone Tell the President the War Is Over][http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/hybrid_politics/message/7304] - Seriousely, I think he's insane. | ||
+ | * http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/hybrid_politics/message/7349 - Impeach | ||
+ | * [http://www.citypages.com/databank/24/1182/article11417.asp The Bush administration's Top 40 Lies about war and terrorism] | ||
+ | * [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/hybrid_politics/message/7383 updated Dr Dimento Lyrics] | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Energy Bill === | ||
+ | * http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002351502_energy29.html | ||
+ | * http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4721953 | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Climate Change === | ||
+ | * http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4075986.stm | ||
+ | * http://culturechange.org./cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=2 | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Alaska=== | ||
+ | * http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm - Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, 1002 Area, Petroleum Assessment, 1998, Including Economic Analysis | ||
+ | * http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601742.html - peak oil | ||
+ | * http://www.definity-systems.net/Earth/FosilFuels/alaska.html | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===Oil Reserves=== | ||
+ | * Remaining Oil - http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1894&e=1&u=/ap/20050717/ap_on_bi_ge/ethanol_study | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===CO2=== | ||
+ | * http://www.cdproject.net - Carbon Disclosure Project | ||
+ | * Engineer away CO2 - http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,20967,1075786,00.html | ||
+ | * Ya, Right, What a Joke, How about this '''Don't convert stuff into CO2 to begin with!''' | ||
+ | * Just imagine that we have to re-obsorb all that CO2 and put it away somewhere, engineer that. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ==Solutions== | ||
+ | === Wind Energy === | ||
+ | * http://www.awea.org/faq/instcap.html | ||
+ | * [http://www.newscientist.com/channel/life/mg18625045.500 no diced birds] | ||
+ | * [http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/winds/global_winds.html 40x grid potential] [http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/may2005/2005-05-17-09.asp#anchor6] [http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/07/15/wind.power/index.html?section=cnn_latest] | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Solar Energy === | ||
+ | ====Solar cell==== | ||
+ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cell | ||
+ | * http://www.enviromission.com.au/project/video/video.htm - Australia SolarTower | ||
+ | * [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10530747 msnbc] [http://www.emagazine.com/view/?3023emahazine] [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius-2G/message/47380 yahoo] Honda Enters Solar Cell Production Business | ||
+ | * http://www.solarsailor.com.au/technology.htm | ||
+ | * http://windsun.com/Library_Index.htm | ||
+ | |||
+ | ====Stirling engine==== | ||
+ | [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_engine] | ||
+ | * '''Utility Scale''' | ||
+ | * [http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/003285.html 850 megawatt Stirling Condenser array] [http://renewableenergyaccess.com/rea/news/story;jsessionid=a9shj0bOjP39?id=35263] [http://www.stirlingenergy.com/solar_overview.htm]. | ||
+ | * '''Demonstration''' | ||
+ | * http://www.physics.sfasu.edu/astro/courses/egr112/StirlingEngine/stirling.html | ||
+ | ** Build your own Stirling engine. | ||
+ | * http://jlnlabs.imars.com/html/stirling.htm | ||
+ | ** MM-5 Coffee Cup Stirling Engine | ||
+ | * http://www.pmresearchinc.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=1504&cat=0 | ||
+ | ** The Sun Runner, a solar-powered Stirling Cycle Engine, offers a dramatic demonstration of energy conversion. This motor with its parabolic mirror can be attached to any conventional camera tripod. When properly aimed at the sun, incoming solar energy is focused on the heat cap of the engine and is converted to rotary motion. Each unit is test run at our factory.<br> Specifications: 2,000 RPM and up, 8 1/4" long X 3" wide, 3/4 inch bore, 3 1/4" flywheel, aluminum precision castings. Parabolic Mirror is 18" diameter polished aluminum.<br> Unit comes complete with motor, parabolic mirror, and wrenches. Standard camera tripod is not supplied. This engine is completely assembled and ready to run. NOTE: This engine can also run as a horizontal engine with our NO 90 alcohol burner. | ||
+ | |||
+ | === BioFuels === | ||
+ | * BioFuels a Red Herring - http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1894&e=1&u=/ap/20050717/ap_on_bi_ge/ethanol_study | ||
+ | * Brew your own Fuel, ATF permit too - http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/index.html | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Hydrogen === | ||
+ | Hydrogen is mostly Hype, but here are some semi-practical applications: | ||
+ | Hydrogen-Electrolosys Fireplace - http://www.heatnglo.com/ | ||
+ | : Requires 220vac @ 60A = 13kW and 1/2 Gallon per hour. | ||
+ | : Produces 31,000 btu/hour of heat. | ||
+ | * http://www.seattleeva.org/maillist/evdl/?show=2005./11./757 - good list of referances | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Fusion === | ||
+ | * France experimental reactor site - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4629239.stm | ||
+ | * Background - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER | ||
+ | * The Moon and Helium III [http://www.spacedaily.com/news/lunar-05zl.html] [http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/helium3_000630.html] | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Energy Effeciency === | ||
+ | * Japan Squeezes to Get the Most of Costly Fuel - [http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/04/business/worldbusiness/04energy.html?ex=1275537600&en=87895713317c5741&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss] | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Charge Safety == | ||
+ | * Overcharging Hydrogen venting issues [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/message/44586] | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Performance Accelleration == | ||
+ | * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/message/44739 | ||
+ | |||
+ | == SUV Bashing == | ||
+ | * [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrid/message/18366 Yahoo Honda-Hybrid message] -> [http://FUH2.com FUH2.com] | ||
+ | * [http://www.bansuvs.com/ BanSUVs.com - Offers Anti-SUV and Pro-Hybrid information] | ||
+ | |||
+ | ==Online Vehicle Communities== | ||
* http://www.greenhybrid.com | * http://www.greenhybrid.com | ||
* http://www.hybridcenter.org | * http://www.hybridcenter.org | ||
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** http://www.HybridAutoClub.com | ** http://www.HybridAutoClub.com | ||
** http://www.toyota.co.jp/ecocar/hv_lineup/index.html | ** http://www.toyota.co.jp/ecocar/hv_lineup/index.html | ||
+ | |||
+ | ==Unorganized Links== | ||
+ | * http://www.pleiades-enterprises.bigstep.com/ | ||
+ | * http://www.evproduction.org/ | ||
+ | * http://www.technologyreview.com/NanoTech/wtr_15959,303,p1.html?trk=nl - thermalcouple power. | ||
+ | * http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrid/message/13508 - Bolt on Hybrid Retrofit. | ||
+ | ** alphamaleperformance.com -> http://www.sigmaautomotive.com/electrocharger/electrocharger.php | ||
+ | * http://www.alphamaleperformance.com | ||
+ | * http://www.drivecleanacrosstexas.org | ||
+ | * http://www.metabus.org | ||
+ | ** http://edog.mne.psu.edu/cgi-bin/pti/nph-iis.cgi/000000A/http/130.203.244.135/pti/pdf/0124.pdf | ||
+ | ** http://130.203.244.135/pti/pdf/0124.pdf | ||
+ | ** http://sptimes.com/News/081201/news_pf/Hillsborough/Electric_buses_genera.shtml | ||
+ | ** http://www.sptimes.com/News/110301/TampaBay/City_wants_electric_b.shtml | ||
+ | ** http://sptimes.com/2002/06/04/Hillsborough/HARTline_ditches_elec.shtml | ||
+ | ** http://www.vss.psu.edu/BTRC.htm http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/28/sotu.transcript | ||
+ | * http://www.engin.umd.umich.edu/vi/w4_workshops/Miller_W04.pdf PowerSplit and Hybrid comparison. | ||
+ | * E85 station locations [http://www.e85fuel.com/database/search.php] [http://afdcmap.nrel.gov/locator/LocatePane.asp] | ||
+ | * http://www.ethanolmarketplace.com/ | ||
+ | |||
+ | * [http://www.electronicsurplus.com/ccp70714-meters-350-uamp-full-scale-d-c------11-16inchsqua-8-330-4407.htm http://www.electronicsurplus.com] Mini Meters | ||
+ | * http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/ | ||
+ | * http://www.fightingterror.org | ||
+ | * http://www.cardonation4kids.org/ | ||
+ | |||
+ | * http://www.takeitbacknetwork.org | ||
+ | * [http://www.ottawariverinstitute.ca/WatershedWays04/wwNegawatts2.htm Negawatt] [http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Negawatt] | ||
+ | |||
+ | * http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/onh2p3.htm - Vehicle lifespans | ||
+ | * http://www.distributed-generation.com/ | ||
+ | * http://electricscootin.brinkster.net/ Scooter Parts | ||
+ | * http://www.discovercircuits.com/B/batt-chrg.htm Battery charging circuits. | ||
+ | * http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30551/article.html Hall Effect Ah meter circuit. | ||
+ | * http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee293a/FEP4_Text_X.pdf - Great thermodynamics, heat engines. | ||
+ | * http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4468957986746104671 - 500kV Switch Opening | ||
+ | * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gridable-hybrids/message/2309 - Thermal depolymerization | ||
+ | |||
+ | * http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/current-events.html - peak oil by Kenneth S. Deffeyes | ||
+ | * http://www.fcnp.com/552/peakoil.htm - The Peak Oil Crisis - Your First Electric Car | ||
+ | |||
+ | == More Rambling == | ||
+ | * [http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=4 About Blogs] | ||
+ | * "At least we're winning the war against the environment" | ||
+ | * http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/marchers/?rjf2005@seattleeva.org [http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/marchers/?rjf2005@dolio.net] | ||
+ | * [[User:Rjf/Electric]] | ||
+ | * [http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php Funny WebMovie, "Can't afford gassoline"] | ||
+ | * http://peswiki.com/energy/Main_Page | ||
+ | * [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/message/46757 Signage] - [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/message/46968 Vanity plates] | ||
+ | * [http://www.donrowe.com/ Inverters] | ||
+ | * [http://www.glenspeed.com/ Green Grand Prix] | ||
+ | * EM stuff [http://electricmotorcycles.net/modules/xcgal/] [http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/141.html] [http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/623.html] | ||
+ | * http://www.sci-scotland.org.uk/earthship.html | ||
+ | * http://www.slandi.net/podcast/SPEVseriesPart1.mp3 - PodCast | ||
+ | * http://www.hialeahmeter.com/siphwame.html - Watt Hour Meters | ||
+ | * [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/message/48163 Tilley] is pretty much a fraud [http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1900 Tilley Claims Finally Busted!] [[WikiPedia:Wilhelm_Reich]] [http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/fraud/index.html] [http://www.phact.org/e/tilley.htm] [http://www.freeenergynews.com/newstuff/archive/2003May.htm] [http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/fnrg.html] [http://www.tilleyfoundation.com/htm/Tilley%20Total%20Electric%20Car%20to%20b] | ||
+ | * ?interesting ideas? [http://www.amasci.com/] [http://amasci.com/miscon/miscon.html] [http://amasci.com/sitemap.html] |
Latest revision as of 07:31, 23 July 2013
This is a disarray of links.
Ran accross this very interesting Sixth (EM) Sense!
Online Resources
- http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
- Free Hybrid Parking?
- EV List Archives
- http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/
Space Elevator
Policies / Climate Change
- unfiltered Iraq News For those who thing everything is rosey.
- Someone Tell the President the War Is Over[1] - Seriousely, I think he's insane.
- http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/hybrid_politics/message/7349 - Impeach
- The Bush administration's Top 40 Lies about war and terrorism
- updated Dr Dimento Lyrics
Energy Bill
- http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002351502_energy29.html
- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4721953
Climate Change
- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4075986.stm
- http://culturechange.org./cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=2
Alaska
- http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm - Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, 1002 Area, Petroleum Assessment, 1998, Including Economic Analysis
- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601742.html - peak oil
- http://www.definity-systems.net/Earth/FosilFuels/alaska.html
Oil Reserves
- Remaining Oil - http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1894&e=1&u=/ap/20050717/ap_on_bi_ge/ethanol_study
CO2
- http://www.cdproject.net - Carbon Disclosure Project
- Engineer away CO2 - http://www.popsci.com/popsci/aviation/article/0,20967,1075786,00.html
- Ya, Right, What a Joke, How about this Don't convert stuff into CO2 to begin with!
- Just imagine that we have to re-obsorb all that CO2 and put it away somewhere, engineer that.
Solutions
Wind Energy
Solar Energy
Solar cell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cell
- http://www.enviromission.com.au/project/video/video.htm - Australia SolarTower
- msnbc [4] yahoo Honda Enters Solar Cell Production Business
- http://www.solarsailor.com.au/technology.htm
- http://windsun.com/Library_Index.htm
Stirling engine
- Utility Scale
- 850 megawatt Stirling Condenser array [6] [7].
- Demonstration
- http://www.physics.sfasu.edu/astro/courses/egr112/StirlingEngine/stirling.html
- Build your own Stirling engine.
- http://jlnlabs.imars.com/html/stirling.htm
- MM-5 Coffee Cup Stirling Engine
- http://www.pmresearchinc.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=1504&cat=0
- The Sun Runner, a solar-powered Stirling Cycle Engine, offers a dramatic demonstration of energy conversion. This motor with its parabolic mirror can be attached to any conventional camera tripod. When properly aimed at the sun, incoming solar energy is focused on the heat cap of the engine and is converted to rotary motion. Each unit is test run at our factory.
Specifications: 2,000 RPM and up, 8 1/4" long X 3" wide, 3/4 inch bore, 3 1/4" flywheel, aluminum precision castings. Parabolic Mirror is 18" diameter polished aluminum.
Unit comes complete with motor, parabolic mirror, and wrenches. Standard camera tripod is not supplied. This engine is completely assembled and ready to run. NOTE: This engine can also run as a horizontal engine with our NO 90 alcohol burner.
- The Sun Runner, a solar-powered Stirling Cycle Engine, offers a dramatic demonstration of energy conversion. This motor with its parabolic mirror can be attached to any conventional camera tripod. When properly aimed at the sun, incoming solar energy is focused on the heat cap of the engine and is converted to rotary motion. Each unit is test run at our factory.
BioFuels
- BioFuels a Red Herring - http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1894&e=1&u=/ap/20050717/ap_on_bi_ge/ethanol_study
- Brew your own Fuel, ATF permit too - http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/index.html
Hydrogen
Hydrogen is mostly Hype, but here are some semi-practical applications: Hydrogen-Electrolosys Fireplace - http://www.heatnglo.com/
- Requires 220vac @ 60A = 13kW and 1/2 Gallon per hour.
- Produces 31,000 btu/hour of heat.
- http://www.seattleeva.org/maillist/evdl/?show=2005./11./757 - good list of referances
Fusion
- France experimental reactor site - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4629239.stm
- Background - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER
- The Moon and Helium III [8] [9]
Energy Effeciency
- Japan Squeezes to Get the Most of Costly Fuel - [10]
Charge Safety
- Overcharging Hydrogen venting issues [11]
Performance Accelleration
SUV Bashing
Online Vehicle Communities
- http://www.greenhybrid.com
- http://www.hybridcenter.org
- Yahoo Online Bulitin Boards.
- Honda
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrid/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-insight/messages - locked?
- http://www.insightcentral.net
- http://www.hondacars.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=Insight
- http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=222145
- http://arstechnica.com/reviews/3q00/honda/insight-1.html
- http://www.insightman.com
- http://danielcurran.com/Insight
- http://www.plugitin.co.uk/insight.htm
- Toyota
- http://www.priusownersgroup.com
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius-2G/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/highlander_hybrid/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius-Europe/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prius_uk/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2004-prius/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-prius/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius_Technical_Stuff/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius_Miniscanner_MarkIII/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PriusMods/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mk1_Prius/messages
- http://www.priusmania.net
- Domestic
- Gridable Hybrids
- All Electric
- http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/rav4_EV/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evbms/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tango-EV/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ElectricVehicles/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EVlist/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EVProduction/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/electric_vehicles_for_sale/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETList/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tropica_ev/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TorontoEVA/messages
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QCYCTender/messages
- ALT Fuels
Unorganized Links
- http://www.pleiades-enterprises.bigstep.com/
- http://www.evproduction.org/
- http://www.technologyreview.com/NanoTech/wtr_15959,303,p1.html?trk=nl - thermalcouple power.
- http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrid/message/13508 - Bolt on Hybrid Retrofit.
- alphamaleperformance.com -> http://www.sigmaautomotive.com/electrocharger/electrocharger.php
- http://www.alphamaleperformance.com
- http://www.drivecleanacrosstexas.org
- http://www.metabus.org
- http://edog.mne.psu.edu/cgi-bin/pti/nph-iis.cgi/000000A/http/130.203.244.135/pti/pdf/0124.pdf
- http://130.203.244.135/pti/pdf/0124.pdf
- http://sptimes.com/News/081201/news_pf/Hillsborough/Electric_buses_genera.shtml
- http://www.sptimes.com/News/110301/TampaBay/City_wants_electric_b.shtml
- http://sptimes.com/2002/06/04/Hillsborough/HARTline_ditches_elec.shtml
- http://www.vss.psu.edu/BTRC.htm http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/28/sotu.transcript
- http://www.engin.umd.umich.edu/vi/w4_workshops/Miller_W04.pdf PowerSplit and Hybrid comparison.
- E85 station locations [12] [13]
- http://www.ethanolmarketplace.com/
- http://www.electronicsurplus.com Mini Meters
- http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/
- http://www.fightingterror.org
- http://www.cardonation4kids.org/
- http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/onh2p3.htm - Vehicle lifespans
- http://www.distributed-generation.com/
- http://electricscootin.brinkster.net/ Scooter Parts
- http://www.discovercircuits.com/B/batt-chrg.htm Battery charging circuits.
- http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30551/article.html Hall Effect Ah meter circuit.
- http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee293a/FEP4_Text_X.pdf - Great thermodynamics, heat engines.
- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4468957986746104671 - 500kV Switch Opening
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gridable-hybrids/message/2309 - Thermal depolymerization
- http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/current-events.html - peak oil by Kenneth S. Deffeyes
- http://www.fcnp.com/552/peakoil.htm - The Peak Oil Crisis - Your First Electric Car
More Rambling
- About Blogs
- "At least we're winning the war against the environment"
- http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/marchers/?rjf2005@seattleeva.org [15]
- User:Rjf/Electric
- Funny WebMovie, "Can't afford gassoline"
- http://peswiki.com/energy/Main_Page
- Signage - Vanity plates
- Inverters
- Green Grand Prix
- EM stuff [16] [17] [18]
- http://www.sci-scotland.org.uk/earthship.html
- http://www.slandi.net/podcast/SPEVseriesPart1.mp3 - PodCast
- http://www.hialeahmeter.com/siphwame.html - Watt Hour Meters
- Tilley is pretty much a fraud Tilley Claims Finally Busted! WikiPedia:Wilhelm_Reich [19] [20] [21] [22] [23]
- ?interesting ideas? [24] [25] [26]