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'''Production BEV'''s like the [http://ev1-club.power.net/ GM EV1] and S-10 Electric, Chrysler EPIC, Honda EV Plus, Ford Ranger EV, Nissan Altra EV, Toyota RAV4 and Force have been made available to the consumer market in very limited quantities and locations. Even though all were placed very few were ever actually for sale, and so it's very unfair to say that there is no market. They would be cost competative if put into mass production, and they have been cheep to maintain and operate with as little as 7 moving parts in the electric powertrain. Just imagine no oil to change, no filters, no spark plugs. A number of Rav4-EVs have over 100,000 miles on their NiMH battery packs, which are also used in current hybrids. They may be unavailable because they are too good, since their range of about 150 miles was as good as the best of HFCV (hydrogen fuel cell vehicles) and today their range can be comperable to gas cars. HFCVs have about 7 very costly fuel stations, yet EVs already have a worldwide refueling infrastructure with outlets at every gas station and garage. Today EV's make good sense for the Consumer, Environmental, and Energy Conservation stand points, but perhaps not from the short term manufacturer, dealer, and oil producer standpoints. We are all going to have to Demand that they make these cars and trucks available instead of waiting yet another 30 years for HFCV's.
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{{Electric Vehicles Table}}
  
== The Next Battery ==
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=== Nickle-Cadnium ===
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'''Production BEV'''s like the [[GM EV1]] and [[Chevrolet S10 EV]], [[Chrysler TEVan]], [[Honda EV Plus]], [[Ford Ranger EV]], [[Nissan Altra]], [[Toyota RAV4 EV]], and [[Solectria Force]] have been made available to the consumer market in very limited quantities and locations. Even though all were placed very few were ever actually for sale, and so it's very unfair to say that there is no market. They would be cost competitive if put into mass production, and they have been cheap to maintain and operate with as little as 7 moving parts in the electric power train. Just imagine no oil to change, no filters, no spark plugs. A number of Rav4-EVs have over 100,000 miles on their [[Ni|NiMH]] [[battery]] packs, which are also used in current hybrids. They may be unavailable because they are too good, since their range of about 150 miles was as good as the best of HFCV (hydrogen fuel cell vehicles) and today their range can be comparable to gas cars. HFCVs have about 7 very costly fuel stations, yet EVs already have a worldwide refueling infrastructure with outlets at every gas station and garage. Today EV's make good sense for the Consumer, Environmental, and Energy Conservation stand points, but perhaps not from the short term manufacturer, dealer, and oil producer standpoints. We are all going to have to Demand that they make these cars and trucks available instead of waiting yet another 30 years for HFCV's.
* Evercell M100s - [http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2005-07%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=evercel Images]
 
  
=== Nickle-Metal Hydride ===
 
Have already been proven in many production BEVs, Hybrids, and other vehicles.
 
  
=== Lithium ===
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==Modern Production BEVs==
* [http://www.valence.com Valence] makes U-Charge ''Saphion'' Lithium Ion batteries in a few common sizes, they are intended to be "12v" drop in replacements for Lead-Acid and have intigrated management.  Most notable these batteries are less likely to burn when abused, and important new feature for Li.
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'''All of these from the major manufacturers are no longer in production, many have been destroyed for some reason, but some can still be seen in the wild...  Your best bet it to look into those from the startups.'''
** According to Marc Kohler of Valence, their U1 will do 300A, not only 150A per [http://www.valence.com/pdffiles/U-Charge_Datasheet.pdf U-Charge_Datasheet]Their U24 will do 600A instead of 200A, and will do 200A "up a long hill", though these higher rates have not been confirmed.  Also per an [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/message/45647 EVDL] thread the 12V modules are U1, 40AH - $650 US, U24, 100AH - $1600 US, U27, 130AH - $1900 US, and $800 for display and charger. [http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5493/lith7in.jpg image?], [http://www.valence.com/pdffiles/U-Charge_Datasheet.pdf Datasheet], [http://www.valence.com/pdffiles/IFR18650p.pdf New High Rate versions]
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{{Electric Vehicles List}}
** 2005.08.26 - [http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,68631,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 wired.com]
 
  
* Altair gets order for 1000kG of lithium titanate spinel electrode nanomaterials [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/gridable-hybrids/message/1699] [http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=92968] [http://www.smalltimes.com/document_display.cfm?section_id=93&document_id=9783] [http://www.zqpt.com/zqenglish/index.htm]
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==See Also==
** Altair Nanotechnologies Inc. (NASDAQ: ALTI) and Toshiba have rather promissing advanced Li-ion improvements which greatly increase their previousely lacking Power Density and Cycle Life.  Energy Density, Weight, and even high volume cost of about $500/kWh have been a reality for some time now.
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* [[WikiPedia:Battery electric vehicle]]
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* [[WikiPedia:Electric vehicle]]
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* evdl - [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/message/51717 Looking for info about production EVs]
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* http://ev.inel.gov/fsev.shtml - The Advanced Vehicle Testing Activity (AVTA) tested many full size electric cars in the 1990's. The results for baseline testing and fleet evaluation are reported.
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* http://www.carlist.com/autonews/2005/autonews_186.html - more production EVs
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== News ==
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* 2008.04.09 - solveclimate.com - [http://solveclimate.com/blog/20080409/deutsche-bank-electric-cars-could-wipe-gas-cars-map Deutsche Bank: Electric Cars Could Wipe Gas Cars off the Map]
  
* Sony High Rate.
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* 2007.09.07 - [http://www.theregister.com/2007/09/07/us_special_forces_electric_buggy_stealth/ US special forces buy electric stealth golf carts]
  
* Toshibas High-Rage (50C) Li, scheduled for 2006 production [http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2005_03/pr2901.htm]
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* 2007.08.24 - [http://www.gearlog.com/2007/08/first_electric_police_cruiser.php First Electric Police Cruiser Debuts in Pittsburgh Suburb] [http://www.heraldstandard.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18738578&BRD=2280&PAG=461&dept_id=480247&rfi=6]
  
* Google groups - http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem.electrochem.battery?lnk=lr&hl=en
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* 2007.08.14 - NPR Morning Edition - [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12768963 Better Batteries Could Make Electric Cars Attractive]
** [http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem.electrochem.battery/browse_thread/thread/b67da0115ea86488/e733be6a7250cbe6?hl=en#e733be6a7250cbe6] -> [http://www.atp.nist.gov/eao/wp05-01/contents.htm Volume Li-ion Manufacturing in the US]
 
** [http://groups.google.com/group/sci.chem.electrochem.battery/browse_thread/thread/2f19482d200d320c/c39e244116ebde93?hl=en#c39e244116ebde93 Li-ion Charge effeciency]
 
  
* [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/ev-list-archive/message/46470 2000 mile range EV] - EVDL thread to [http://www.stanford.edu/group/solarcar/ev/version3.pdf stanford .pdf], seems like it's "old" news.
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* 2007.01.07 - [http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/01/gm_introduces_e.html GM Introduces E-Flex Electric Vehicle System; Chevrolet Volt the First Application]
  
==See Also==
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* 2005.09.23 - International Herald Tribune [http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/29/business/cars.php Electric cars still showing a pulse]
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_electric_vehicle
 
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle
 
  
== News ==
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* 2005.09.23 - jalopnik.com - [http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/alternative-energy/subaru-parent-sets-timeline-for-electriccar-development-127242.php    Subaru Parent Sets Timeline for Electric-Car Development]
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** car.co.nz [http://www.car.co.nz/newsevents.asp?articleid=9034 More details about the Subaru BEV]
  
* 08-31-05 - kansas.com - [http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/business/12526451.htm Toyota will let drivers keep their electric vehicles]
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* 2005.08.31 - kansas.com - [http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/business/12526451.htm Toyota will let drivers keep their electric vehicles]
  
* 08-24-05 - scoop.co.nz - [http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0508/S00407.htm The MIEV (at under $US 18,000) promises to be a welcome relief for motorists and is expected to arrive up to two years earlier than Japanese rival Subaru’s electric minicar.]
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* 2005.08.24 - scoop.co.nz - [http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0508/S00407.htm The MIEV (at under $US 18,000) promises to be a welcome relief for motorists and is expected to arrive up to two years earlier than Japanese rival Subaru’s electric minicar.]
  
* 08-21-05 - mitsubishi-motors.com [http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/pressrelease/e/corporate/detail1269.html Mitsubishi Motors to drive forward development of next-generation EVs] [http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=R1e&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en Images]
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* 2005.08.21 - mitsubishi-motors.com [http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/pressrelease/e/corporate/detail1269.html Mitsubishi Motors to drive forward development of next-generation EVs] [http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=R1e&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en Images]
 
** [http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/about_us/technology/environment/e/miev.html MIEV Mitsubishi In-wheel motor Electric Vehicle]
 
** [http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/about_us/technology/environment/e/miev.html MIEV Mitsubishi In-wheel motor Electric Vehicle]
 
** carpages.co.uk [http://www.carpages.co.uk/mitsubishi/mitsubishi-colt-part-1-13-05-05.asp?switched=on&echo=435652253 The Electric Mitsubishi Colt]
 
** carpages.co.uk [http://www.carpages.co.uk/mitsubishi/mitsubishi-colt-part-1-13-05-05.asp?switched=on&echo=435652253 The Electric Mitsubishi Colt]
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** [http://www.gizmag.com/go/4458 gizmag.com]
 
** [http://www.gizmag.com/go/4458 gizmag.com]
 
** [http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=642 evworld.com] - past original article?
 
** [http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=642 evworld.com] - past original article?
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* [http://www.gizmag.com/go/4666/ Lancer Evolution MIEV with all wheel electric motors]
  
* 08-21-05 - treehugger.com [http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/08/subaru_joins_ra.php Subaru Joins Electric Car Race with R1e]
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* 2005.08.20 - cbsnews.com MOVIE [http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?clip=/media/2005/08/20/video789003&sid=3420&hitboxMLC=eveningnews&title=Hybrids$@$Getting$@$Amped$@$Up  Hybrids Getting Amped Up]
 
 
* 08-20-05 - cbsnews.com MOVIE [http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?clip=/media/2005/08/20/video789003&sid=3420&hitboxMLC=eveningnews&title=Hybrids$@$Getting$@$Amped$@$Up  Hybrids Getting Amped Up]
 
 
** With gas prices soaring, even hybrid car owners are thinking of creative ways to cut on gas use. Bill Whitaker reports how they are suping-up their energy efficient cars with electricity.
 
** With gas prices soaring, even hybrid car owners are thinking of creative ways to cut on gas use. Bill Whitaker reports how they are suping-up their energy efficient cars with electricity.
  
* 08-19-05 - japantoday.com [http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=4&id=346678 Fuji Heavy unveils electric car that uses lithium-ion battery]
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* 2005.08.19 - japantoday.com [http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=4&id=346678 Fuji Heavy unveils electric car that uses lithium-ion battery]
  
* 08-19-05 - edmunds.com [http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106930 The Electric Car's Not Dead; Asian Companies Strive for Breakthrough]
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* 2005.08.19 - edmunds.com [http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=106930 The Electric Car's Not Dead; Asian Companies Strive for Breakthrough]
  
* 08-12-05 - autoweek.com [http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102948 autoweek.com Experts say electric cars should be part of research plans for automakers]
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* 2005.08.12 - autoweek.com [http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102948 autoweek.com Experts say electric cars should be part of research plans for automakers]
 
** "That's the advice of a panel of technical experts representing the National Academy of Sciences. They say government and industry researchers should examine battery electric vehicles as an alternative to cars and trucks powered by hydrogen fuel cells." -  
 
** "That's the advice of a panel of technical experts representing the National Academy of Sciences. They say government and industry researchers should examine battery electric vehicles as an alternative to cars and trucks powered by hydrogen fuel cells." -  
  
* 08-15-05 - ktla.trb.com [http://ktla.trb.com/news/local/la-me-ev15aug15,0,1465668.story?coll=ktla-news-1 Still Plugging Along] The EV1 Waiting List, 5000 or 50?
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* 2005.08.15 - ktla.trb.com [http://ktla.trb.com/news/local/la-me-ev15aug15,0,1465668.story?coll=ktla-news-1 Still Plugging Along] The EV1 Waiting List, 5000 or 50?
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* 2005.02.25 - [http://www.energybulletin.net/4541.html H2 Can't Compete with Ev's Hybrids]
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** This is an excellent article "Hydrogen economy: energy and economic black hole" with many good references, percentages and information on H2 & fool cells. Good info for arguing the H2 vs EV's/hybrids efficiencies.  I love the line (after multiplying all the inefficiencies) "If you don't understand this (hydrogen) concept, please mail me ten dollars and I'll send you a dollar".
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* Toyota - [http://www.toyota.com/html/hybridsynergyview/2005/fall/hybridorhydrogen.html Hybrids or Hydrogen?] - "The lower efficiency of hydrogen production compared to gasoline brings the well-to-wheel efficiency of FCVs below that of hybrids."
  
* 02-25-05 - [http://www.energybulletin.net/4541.html H2 Can't Compete with Ev's Hybrids]
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[[Category:Production Electric Vehicles|*]]
** This is an excellent article "Hydrogen economy: energy and economic black hole" with many good references, percentages and information on H2 & fool cells. Good info for arguing the H2 vs EV's/hybrids efficiencies.  I love the line (after multiplying all the innefficiencies) "If you don't understand this (hydrogen) concept, please mail me ten dollars and I'll send you a dollar".
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Production BEVs like the GM EV1 and Chevrolet S10 EV, Chrysler TEVan, Honda EV Plus, Ford Ranger EV, Nissan Altra, Toyota RAV4 EV, and Solectria Force have been made available to the consumer market in very limited quantities and locations. Even though all were placed very few were ever actually for sale, and so it's very unfair to say that there is no market. They would be cost competitive if put into mass production, and they have been cheap to maintain and operate with as little as 7 moving parts in the electric power train. Just imagine no oil to change, no filters, no spark plugs. A number of Rav4-EVs have over 100,000 miles on their NiMH battery packs, which are also used in current hybrids. They may be unavailable because they are too good, since their range of about 150 miles was as good as the best of HFCV (hydrogen fuel cell vehicles) and today their range can be comparable to gas cars. HFCVs have about 7 very costly fuel stations, yet EVs already have a worldwide refueling infrastructure with outlets at every gas station and garage. Today EV's make good sense for the Consumer, Environmental, and Energy Conservation stand points, but perhaps not from the short term manufacturer, dealer, and oil producer standpoints. We are all going to have to Demand that they make these cars and trucks available instead of waiting yet another 30 years for HFCV's.


Modern Production BEVs

All of these from the major manufacturers are no longer in production, many have been destroyed for some reason, but some can still be seen in the wild... Your best bet it to look into those from the startups.

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See also

See Also

News

  • 2005.08.20 - cbsnews.com MOVIE Hybrids Getting Amped Up
    • With gas prices soaring, even hybrid car owners are thinking of creative ways to cut on gas use. Bill Whitaker reports how they are suping-up their energy efficient cars with electricity.
  • 2005.02.25 - H2 Can't Compete with Ev's Hybrids
    • This is an excellent article "Hydrogen economy: energy and economic black hole" with many good references, percentages and information on H2 & fool cells. Good info for arguing the H2 vs EV's/hybrids efficiencies. I love the line (after multiplying all the inefficiencies) "If you don't understand this (hydrogen) concept, please mail me ten dollars and I'll send you a dollar".
  • Toyota - Hybrids or Hydrogen? - "The lower efficiency of hydrogen production compared to gasoline brings the well-to-wheel efficiency of FCVs below that of hybrids."