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'''Production BEV'''s like the [[GM_EV1]] and S-10 Electric, Chrysler EPIC, Honda EV Plus, Ford Ranger EV, Nissan Altra EV, Toyota RAV4 and Force have been made available to the consumer market in very limited quantities and locations. Even though all were placed very few were ever actually for sale, and so it's very unfair to say that there is no market. They would be cost competative if put into mass production, and they have been cheep to maintain and operate with as little as 7 moving parts in the electric powertrain. Just imagine no oil to change, no filters, no spark plugs. A number of Rav4-EVs have over 100,000 miles on their NiMH battery packs, which are also used in current hybrids. They may be unavailable because they are too good, since their range of about 150 miles was as good as the best of HFCV (hydrogen fuel cell vehicles) and today their range can be comperable to gas cars. HFCVs have about 7 very costly fuel stations, yet EVs already have a worldwide refueling infrastructure with outlets at every gas station and garage. Today EV's make good sense for the Consumer, Environmental, and Energy Conservation stand points, but perhaps not from the short term manufacturer, dealer, and oil producer standpoints. We are all going to have to Demand that they make these cars and trucks available instead of waiting yet another 30 years for HFCV's.
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'''Production BEV'''s like the [[GM EV1]] and S-10 Electric, Chrysler EPIC, Honda EV Plus, Ford Ranger EV, Nissan Altra EV, Toyota RAV4 and Force have been made available to the consumer market in very limited quantities and locations. Even though all were placed very few were ever actually for sale, and so it's very unfair to say that there is no market. They would be cost competative if put into mass production, and they have been cheep to maintain and operate with as little as 7 moving parts in the electric powertrain. Just imagine no oil to change, no filters, no spark plugs. A number of Rav4-EVs have over 100,000 miles on their NiMH battery packs, which are also used in current hybrids. They may be unavailable because they are too good, since their range of about 150 miles was as good as the best of HFCV (hydrogen fuel cell vehicles) and today their range can be comperable to gas cars. HFCVs have about 7 very costly fuel stations, yet EVs already have a worldwide refueling infrastructure with outlets at every gas station and garage. Today EV's make good sense for the Consumer, Environmental, and Energy Conservation stand points, but perhaps not from the short term manufacturer, dealer, and oil producer standpoints. We are all going to have to Demand that they make these cars and trucks available instead of waiting yet another 30 years for HFCV's.
  
 
== The Next Battery ==
 
== The Next Battery ==

Revision as of 05:32, 7 September 2005

Production BEVs like the GM EV1 and S-10 Electric, Chrysler EPIC, Honda EV Plus, Ford Ranger EV, Nissan Altra EV, Toyota RAV4 and Force have been made available to the consumer market in very limited quantities and locations. Even though all were placed very few were ever actually for sale, and so it's very unfair to say that there is no market. They would be cost competative if put into mass production, and they have been cheep to maintain and operate with as little as 7 moving parts in the electric powertrain. Just imagine no oil to change, no filters, no spark plugs. A number of Rav4-EVs have over 100,000 miles on their NiMH battery packs, which are also used in current hybrids. They may be unavailable because they are too good, since their range of about 150 miles was as good as the best of HFCV (hydrogen fuel cell vehicles) and today their range can be comperable to gas cars. HFCVs have about 7 very costly fuel stations, yet EVs already have a worldwide refueling infrastructure with outlets at every gas station and garage. Today EV's make good sense for the Consumer, Environmental, and Energy Conservation stand points, but perhaps not from the short term manufacturer, dealer, and oil producer standpoints. We are all going to have to Demand that they make these cars and trucks available instead of waiting yet another 30 years for HFCV's.

The Next Battery

Nickle-Cadnium

Nickle-Metal Hydride

Have already been proven in many production BEVs, Hybrids, and other vehicles.

Lithium

  • Valence makes U-Charge Saphion Lithium Ion batteries in a few common sizes, they are intended to be "12v" drop in replacements for Lead-Acid and have intigrated management. Most notable these batteries are less likely to burn when abused, and important new feature for Li.
    • According to Marc Kohler of Valence, their U1 will do 300A, not only 150A per U-Charge_Datasheet. Their U24 will do 600A instead of 200A, and will do 200A "up a long hill", though these higher rates have not been confirmed. Also per an EVDL thread the 12V modules are U1, 40AH - $650 US, U24, 100AH - $1600 US, U27, 130AH - $1900 US, and $800 for display and charger. image?, Datasheet, New High Rate versions
    • 2005.08.26 - wired.com
  • Altair gets order for 1000kG of lithium titanate spinel electrode nanomaterials [1] [2] [3] [4]
    • Altair Nanotechnologies Inc. (NASDAQ: ALTI) and Toshiba have rather promissing advanced Li-ion improvements which greatly increase their previousely lacking Power Density and Cycle Life. Energy Density, Weight, and even high volume cost of about $500/kWh have been a reality for some time now.
  • Sony High Rate.
  • Toshibas High-Rage (50C) Li, scheduled for 2006 production [5]

See Also

News

  • 08-20-05 - cbsnews.com MOVIE Hybrids Getting Amped Up
    • With gas prices soaring, even hybrid car owners are thinking of creative ways to cut on gas use. Bill Whitaker reports how they are suping-up their energy efficient cars with electricity.
  • 02-25-05 - H2 Can't Compete with Ev's Hybrids
    • This is an excellent article "Hydrogen economy: energy and economic black hole" with many good references, percentages and information on H2 & fool cells. Good info for arguing the H2 vs EV's/hybrids efficiencies. I love the line (after multiplying all the innefficiencies) "If you don't understand this (hydrogen) concept, please mail me ten dollars and I'll send you a dollar".