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Enjoyed the EV1 at last month's meeting?
 
Enjoyed the EV1 at last month's meeting?
 
Good, because it may be the last time you ever see it running again.
 
Good, because it may be the last time you ever see it running again.
GM has already sent a cease and desist order to WWU and threatened legal action if they ever see video or hear of it running as a "non-hybrid" electric again.
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<s>GM has already sent a cease and desist order to WWU and threatened legal action if they ever see video or hear of it running as a "non-hybrid" electric again.</s>
GM contacted WWU attempting to intimidate them into keeping things quiet.
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GM contacted WWU reminding them of the agreement they signed when they received the non working EV1.
GM was upset and said their contract had been breached and that the [http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AB84037571EA1CBF YouTube videos] made them look bad.
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GM was upset and said their contract had been breached and that the [http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AB84037571EA1CBF YouTube videos] made them look bad, part of the agreement was not to mar GMs image.
GM may already be pursuing legal action against the University of Madison Wisconsin who also [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEROQCvSMfo restored their EV1] <ref>University of Madison Wisconsin Reincarnates it's EV1:
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GM says that the EV1s are not to be driven on on public or private roads<s> or shown in public forums</s>.
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GM may already be pursuing legal action against the University of Madison Wisconsin who also [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEROQCvSMfo restored their EV1] back in ?2005 <ref>University of Madison Wisconsin Reincarnates it's EV1:
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'''''Citations needed''', it's odd though that there is no mention of the vehicle anywhere, but the video doesn't lie.''
 
* 2005 Fall - [http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:GRcV7NlJ0hEJ:www.engr.wisc.edu/studentorgs/vehicle/newsletter/QCFall2005_internet.pdf+University+of+Madison+Wisconsin+EV1&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us Wisconsin's Hybrid Team Reincarnates its EV1, page2]
 
* 2005 Fall - [http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:GRcV7NlJ0hEJ:www.engr.wisc.edu/studentorgs/vehicle/newsletter/QCFall2005_internet.pdf+University+of+Madison+Wisconsin+EV1&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us Wisconsin's Hybrid Team Reincarnates its EV1, page2]
 
* [http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/whats-outdoors-quiet-and-green-all-over-hybridfest-2006-cga.htm hybridfest-2006], [http://hybridfest.com/2006Photos.htm photos]
 
* [http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/whats-outdoors-quiet-and-green-all-over-hybridfest-2006-cga.htm hybridfest-2006], [http://hybridfest.com/2006Photos.htm photos]
 
* YouTube [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEROQCvSMfo Working EV1 !!].</ref>.
 
* YouTube [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEROQCvSMfo Working EV1 !!].</ref>.
GM says that the EV1s are not to be driven on on public or private roads or shown in public forums. --[[User:Rjf|Rjf]] 22:35, 20 December 2007 (CST)
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No word on whether GM contacted Brigham Young University who has a a supercap-powered EV1 which was run in very public settings at drag strips around the country <ref>''Add links to the BYU EV1 drag races and articles.''</ref>.
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''Missouri-Rolla also has an EV-1, who else, is there a list somewhere?''
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--[[User:Rjf|Rjf]] 22:35, 20 December 2007 (CST)
  
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=== YouTube ===
 
RJF wrote (2007.12.18):
 
RJF wrote (2007.12.18):
 
: Have you seen the recent comment added to the "[http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=fXhwHxPKVaM EV1 On The Road!]" video regarding the EV1 restoration posted by "wasityou"?
 
: Have you seen the recent comment added to the "[http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=fXhwHxPKVaM EV1 On The Road!]" video regarding the EV1 restoration posted by "wasityou"?
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: lisaBham replied:
 
: lisaBham replied:
 
:: Yes, but I guess it's for the lawyers to sort out now. School isn't in session now, so nothing has been decided yet.
 
:: Yes, but I guess it's for the lawyers to sort out now. School isn't in session now, so nothing has been decided yet.
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=== EVDL ===
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Dan from the [http://www.nabble.com/GM-reacts-to-the-WWU-EV1-Resurrection.-to14456286s25542.html EVDL] writes (2007.12.21, 8am):
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: Chris Preuss (GM) didn't know anything about any legal reactions but asked a coworker Dave Barthmuss to comment and he wrote me this:
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:* "No legal threats at all.  I know what our reaction was to the Western Washington University's vehicle being trucked to LA and making a brief drive at a local enviro envent and in no way did it involve and threat of litigation."
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:* "That we continue to appreciate and recognize the passion and enthusiasm for electric vehicle technology, and hope that the issues we face today in terms of energy security and the like will encourage hundreds of thousand if not millions of consumers to consider purchasing or leasing our EFlex extended range electric system as illustrated by the Chevy Volt when it is ready for prime time."
  
 
=== Our take ===
 
=== Our take ===
 
Time to come up with the perfect spin for this story with just the right balance of disgrace and encouragement for GM.
 
Time to come up with the perfect spin for this story with just the right balance of disgrace and encouragement for GM.
  
GM in their infinite wisdom to promote their green image and new EV design studio is considering taking legal action against universities to which GM gave EV1 carcases to a half decade ago.
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GM in their infinite wisdom to promote their green image and new EV design studio is warning universities to stick to their signed agreements regarding donated EV1 carcases a half decade ago.
Turns out the schools technical departments were somehow able to revive their EV1's as part of the process of hybridizing them as stipulated in the donation contracts<ref>''Does anyone have a copy of a Universities EV1 contract? Some might be interested in it's content.''</ref>.
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Turns out the schools technical departments were somehow able to revive their EV1's as part of the process of hybridizing them as intended in the donation contracts<ref>''Does anyone have a copy of a Universities EV1 contract? Some might be interested in it's content.''</ref>.
Unfortunately the schools let some people see the vehicles and also may have let their tires touch a roads surface, which is apparently prohibited.
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Unfortunately the schools let some people see and video tape the vehicles and also may have let their tires touch a roads surface, which is apparently prohibited.
So it seems that GM may be suing the schools<ref>''How about some links to the suites?''</ref>, but why you ask?
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Another part of the agreement was that the schools would not mar GMs image, which they feel the videos of the car may have done.
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<s>So it seems that GM may be suing the schools<ref>''How about some links to Madison UW suit?''</ref>, but</s> why you ask?
  
* Perhaps because it would be considered cheating for members of their own new EV design studio, centered around their EV1 wannabe, the Volt. <ref>GM to setup new Electric Vehicle Design Studio:
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* It's not the crushing of a small fleet of EV1's which were loved by their drivers that tarnishes the GM image, but rather the driving of said extinct cars on roads when a group of university student restores one.
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* Perhaps access to the EV1 would be considered cheating for members of GMs new EV design studio which will be working on the new Chevy Volt. <ref>GM to setup new Electric Vehicle Design Studio:
 
* 2007.12.12 - [http://motortorque.askaprice.com/news/auto-0712/volt-electric-vehicle-one-step-closer-to-production-says-gm.asp Volt electric vehicle one step closer to production, says GM]
 
* 2007.12.12 - [http://motortorque.askaprice.com/news/auto-0712/volt-electric-vehicle-one-step-closer-to-production-says-gm.asp Volt electric vehicle one step closer to production, says GM]
 
*: Bob Boniface, lead for the exterior design of the Chevrolet Volt concept, said: “We handpicked a team of both young and experienced designers who are enthusiastic, eager and believe in the cause as I do,” said Boniface. “They want to find a better way, a solution to our dependency on petroleum, and that’s what this car is about.”
 
*: Bob Boniface, lead for the exterior design of the Chevrolet Volt concept, said: “We handpicked a team of both young and experienced designers who are enthusiastic, eager and believe in the cause as I do,” said Boniface. “They want to find a better way, a solution to our dependency on petroleum, and that’s what this car is about.”
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* 2007.12.13 - [http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071212.wh-GMmain-1213/BNStory/specialGlobeAuto Back to the future: electric vehicle at the core of GM's vision] GM is aiming to reclaim the lost mantle of automotive technology leadership from foreign auto makers
 
* 2007.12.13 - [http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071212.wh-GMmain-1213/BNStory/specialGlobeAuto Back to the future: electric vehicle at the core of GM's vision] GM is aiming to reclaim the lost mantle of automotive technology leadership from foreign auto makers
 
</ref>
 
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* Because it takes the edge of the Volt Hype if people knew that the EV1 existed a decade ago and was already so close to a series hybrid.  GM had a running 4 seat EV1 at the EVS-18 in Beijing (1998) and also shown at the autoshow back then which was a series hybrid with as much range as the Volt. <ref>''Add links to Gen3 EV1, if you can still find any of it.''</ref>
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* It takes the edge off the Volt Hype if people know that the EV1 existed a decade ago and was already slated to become a series hybrid.  GM even had a running 4 seat EV1 at the EVS-18 in Beijing (1998) which was a series hybrid with as much range as the Volt. <ref>''Add links to Gen3 EV1, if you can still find any of it.''</ref>
 
* To ensure that only GMs own pre-approved and focus group branded "Green Image" is promoted, being green is subjective after all, isn't it?
 
* To ensure that only GMs own pre-approved and focus group branded "Green Image" is promoted, being green is subjective after all, isn't it?
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* GM likes to talk green ''(EVs, PHEVs, and E-Flex)'', but in the end they are really still all about the yellow ''(ethanol, Flex Fuel)''.
 
* Perhaps because GM has become <insert expletive here>?
 
* Perhaps because GM has become <insert expletive here>?
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Is this a new aerodynamic version of the Chevy Volt? No, It's the decade old EV1!

Of the original 1115 GM EV1s only 40 or so still exist. These were severely disabled by GM and given to universities and museums. A few more may still exist as part of GM's fool cell research projects. In Early December of 2007 one of them was resurrected, making its first public appearance Dec 8th at Renewable L.A., and then a few days later at the Seattle chapter of the Electric Auto Association's monthly meeting on December 11th.

The 1997 PbA (Lead Acid) EV1 was reanimated by university faculty, students, EV Bones, and Pv's donated Tech2 scanner! Mike, a retired instructor made sure to mention that the car was a part of their ongoing Hybrid project as GM stipulated that the EV1 must not be used as an EV as part of their agreement when donating it to the school.

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Enjoy this collection of videos, just in time for the holidays! The last three are from the SEVA meeting (left to right then top to bottom).

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GM Reacts

Enjoyed the EV1 at last month's meeting? Good, because it may be the last time you ever see it running again. GM has already sent a cease and desist order to WWU and threatened legal action if they ever see video or hear of it running as a "non-hybrid" electric again. GM contacted WWU reminding them of the agreement they signed when they received the non working EV1. GM was upset and said their contract had been breached and that the YouTube videos made them look bad, part of the agreement was not to mar GMs image. GM says that the EV1s are not to be driven on on public or private roads or shown in public forums. GM may already be pursuing legal action against the University of Madison Wisconsin who also restored their EV1 back in ?2005 <ref>University of Madison Wisconsin Reincarnates it's EV1: Citations needed, it's odd though that there is no mention of the vehicle anywhere, but the video doesn't lie.

No word on whether GM contacted Brigham Young University who has a a supercap-powered EV1 which was run in very public settings at drag strips around the country <ref>Add links to the BYU EV1 drag races and articles.</ref>. Missouri-Rolla also has an EV-1, who else, is there a list somewhere? --Rjf 22:35, 20 December 2007 (CST)

YouTube

RJF wrote (2007.12.18):

Have you seen the recent comment added to the "EV1 On The Road!" video regarding the EV1 restoration posted by "wasityou"?
lisaBham (2007.12.17)
Actually... GM just sent the university a cease and desist order. :-(
When I asked "lisaBham" about the comment I got this reply:
My dad is Mike Seal (Founder and former director of the VRI, and team leader on the university's EV1 project)
To which I replied:
Well shucks, that's a bummer. But what exactly do they want the school to "cease and desist"? Isn't this just a step towards turning the car into a hybrid? Wasn't that the original purpose of the donation of the vehicle?
lisaBham replied:
Yes, but I guess it's for the lawyers to sort out now. School isn't in session now, so nothing has been decided yet.

EVDL

Dan from the EVDL writes (2007.12.21, 8am):

Chris Preuss (GM) didn't know anything about any legal reactions but asked a coworker Dave Barthmuss to comment and he wrote me this:
  • "No legal threats at all. I know what our reaction was to the Western Washington University's vehicle being trucked to LA and making a brief drive at a local enviro envent and in no way did it involve and threat of litigation."
  • "That we continue to appreciate and recognize the passion and enthusiasm for electric vehicle technology, and hope that the issues we face today in terms of energy security and the like will encourage hundreds of thousand if not millions of consumers to consider purchasing or leasing our EFlex extended range electric system as illustrated by the Chevy Volt when it is ready for prime time."

Our take

Time to come up with the perfect spin for this story with just the right balance of disgrace and encouragement for GM.

GM in their infinite wisdom to promote their green image and new EV design studio is warning universities to stick to their signed agreements regarding donated EV1 carcases a half decade ago. Turns out the schools technical departments were somehow able to revive their EV1's as part of the process of hybridizing them as intended in the donation contracts<ref>Does anyone have a copy of a Universities EV1 contract? Some might be interested in it's content.</ref>. Unfortunately the schools let some people see and video tape the vehicles and also may have let their tires touch a roads surface, which is apparently prohibited. Another part of the agreement was that the schools would not mar GMs image, which they feel the videos of the car may have done. So it seems that GM may be suing the schools<ref>How about some links to Madison UW suit?</ref>, but why you ask?

  • It's not the crushing of a small fleet of EV1's which were loved by their drivers that tarnishes the GM image, but rather the driving of said extinct cars on roads when a group of university student restores one.
  • Perhaps access to the EV1 would be considered cheating for members of GMs new EV design studio which will be working on the new Chevy Volt. <ref>GM to setup new Electric Vehicle Design Studio:
  • 2007.12.12 - Volt electric vehicle one step closer to production, says GM
    Bob Boniface, lead for the exterior design of the Chevrolet Volt concept, said: “We handpicked a team of both young and experienced designers who are enthusiastic, eager and believe in the cause as I do,” said Boniface. “They want to find a better way, a solution to our dependency on petroleum, and that’s what this car is about.”
  • 2007.12.12 - General Motors sets up electric vehicle development team
  • 2007.12.13 - Back to the future: electric vehicle at the core of GM's vision GM is aiming to reclaim the lost mantle of automotive technology leadership from foreign auto makers

</ref>

  • It takes the edge off the Volt Hype if people know that the EV1 existed a decade ago and was already slated to become a series hybrid. GM even had a running 4 seat EV1 at the EVS-18 in Beijing (1998) which was a series hybrid with as much range as the Volt. <ref>Add links to Gen3 EV1, if you can still find any of it.</ref>
  • To ensure that only GMs own pre-approved and focus group branded "Green Image" is promoted, being green is subjective after all, isn't it?
  • GM likes to talk green (EVs, PHEVs, and E-Flex), but in the end they are really still all about the yellow (ethanol, Flex Fuel).
  • Perhaps because GM has become <insert expletive here>?
  • ...
  • ...

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