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Maillist

2008-08-05T21:26:32Z

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The '''maillist discussions contain essential information''' which may not yet be covered on these pages or the related documentation. They are a must-see for anyone contemplating doing a conversion! This list can be especially active at times, and it is recommended that you do not use your work email for this list. For an archive of past messages see the [http://www.seattleeva.org/maillist SEVA Maillist Archive]. '''If the local archive is too slow you can also view threaded messages at the Yahoo! Groups replication of this maillist: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seva_maillist'''.

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Fuels

2008-08-05T21:16:49Z

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There are basically two types of energy or fuel resources available for powering society, including out cars.
One is the type which has been dominate for a few centuries which take the form of [[Coal]], [[Oil]], and [[NG|Natural Gas]] which are all '''long time frame solar resources'''. [[Nuclear]] [[Wikipedia:Nuclear Fission]] is also an even longer time frame solar byproduct, though because the materials aren't strictly terrestrial, having been produced in the hearts of long dead stars, it's generally tends to fall into the clean category as it is not carbon based. The other forms of energy which we will eventually be forced to transition to are '''short time frame solar resources''' or near-term solar resources such as PV electric and direct heat [[Solar]], [[Wind]], [[Hydro]], and even forms of [[Bio|bio-fuels]]. All of these near and long term solar forms are the result of [[Wikipedia:Nuclear Fusion]] occurring in stars.

Discuss all potential [http://www.seattleeva.org/smf/index.php/board,22.0.html electrical energy sources in the SEVA Forum].

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* [[Solar]]
* [[Wind]]
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==Green Power Programs==
* [http://www.pse.com/solutions/foryourhome/Pages/GreenPower_SignupHome.aspx Puget Sound Energy voluntary Green Power Program]
* [http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/light/Green/greenPower/greenup.asp Seattle City Light's voluntary Green Up program]
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==News==
* 2008.02.20 - [http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080220.BCBUDGET20/TPStory/Environment Carbon tax focus of British Columbia budget] Campbell government introduces carrot-and-stock enviro-document in effort to curb greenhouse gases

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Local Resources

2008-08-05T21:08:55Z

Aviken:

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Local EV Resources, Businesses in Washington, Oregon, and BC Canada

It is NOT the intent of SEVA to speak for nor endorse any of the businesses below, but only to list them, much like a phone book would. You are urged to contact these folks, do business with them if you choose, and judge their performance on their own merits. A good place to start your research is locally - browse the [http://www.seattleeva.org/smf/index.php/board,2.0.html SEVA Forum] and see what others are saying about a particular company. It's also the best place to pose a question about company that may not be mentioned yet...

This is only an Attempt at a Complete List. If you know of others in this Pacific Northwest area, please [http://www.seattleeva.org/index.php?title=Local%20Resources&action=edit&section=new add them now]! Include their information, phone numbers, and Web Addresses.

==Electric Rental and Services==
===Volta Verde Landscaping===
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Enjoy a professional manicured lawn ''without'' the '''guilt''':
: "Our entire operation, including transportation, is 100% electric which means we don't use a drop of oil foreign or otherwise - yes even the trucks are electric ( not hybrid) !"
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* According to the California Air Resources Board and the EPA, the pollution caused by an average gas mower is squal to that of 40 cars on an hour-for-hour basis, and operating a gas mower for one hour produces as much pollution as driving a new car 340 miles.
* Each weekend, about 54 million Americans mow their lawns, using 800 million gallons of gas per year and producing tons of air pollutants. Garden equipment engines, which have had unregulated emissions untill very recently, emit high levels of carbon monoxide, volatile organic compounds and nitrogen oxides, producing up to 5% of the nation's air pollution and a good deal more in metropolitan areas.
* The EPA estimates that 17 million gallons of fuel are spilled each year while refueling lawn equiptment. That's more than all the oil spilled by the Exxon Valdez, in the Fulf of Alaska - every year!
*Call Hans Larson at 206-817-2829 or Larsonhr (at) gmail (dot) com

* 2008 04 17 - [http://www.latimes.com/features/printedition/home/la-hm-scoutwhisper17apr17,1,4216584.story Cleaner and quieter landscape maintenance] in Southern California by [http://www.whisperlandscapemaintenance.com Whisper Landscape Maintenance].

===The Electric Boat Company===
The Electric Boat Company rental and sales of Duffy Electric Boats
*Contact: Jennifer Towne (Owner) (206)223-7476, jennifer(at)theelectricboatco.com
*2046 Westlake Ave. N Suite 102, Seattle, WA 98109 (next to China Harbor Restaurant)
*http://www.theelectricboatco.com

==EV dealers, converters and parts suppliers==

===Electric Vehicles of Washington===
*Combustion Engine Vehicles Converted to Electric
*Electric Vehicle Repairs
*http://www.ElectricVehiclesWA.com
*info@electricvehicleswa.com
Also: '''Mac & Mac Electric Motor Company'''
*http://www.MacandMacElectric.com
*Electric Motor & Controller and related parts, Sales Service & Repairs
*(360)734-6530 Office, (360)734-6575 Fax
*1410 Iowa Street (Auto Rowe In Bellingham)
*Bellingham, WA 98229
*Contact: Eddie Pankow, info@macandmacelectric.com

===Bruce Sherry Designs===
* Bruce Sherry: EE Engineer and Producer of EV Instruments
* Phone: 206-909-3409
* e-mail: bruce(at)brucesherrydesigns.com
* WEB site: http://www.brucesherrydesigns.com

===The Green Car Company===
The Green Car Company
*(425)820-4549, Sales(at)greencarco.com
*11630 Slater Aven NE #3, Kirkland, Wa 98034
*http://www.greencarco.com
*[[EAA-PHEV:Green Car Company]]
*Contact: Greg Rock (Propriator) (206)979-1707, gregrock(at)hotmail.com
*7351 23rd Ave NE, Seattle, WA 98115

===MC Electric Vehicles===
MC Machinery, now MC Electric Vehicles, Dealers for IT - Neighborhood EV from:
* [http://www.canev.com/Commercial/CEV/MightTruck/Junior.html Might-E Truck]
* [http://www.itiselectric.com Dynasty Motorcar Corop] of Canada
* [http://www.tigertruck.com Tiger Electric Trucks]
* [http://www.parcar.com Columbia "Summit"]
* [http://www.e-ride.com e-Ride Industries]
* [http://www.feelgoodcars.com ZENN - Zero Emissions No Noise]
* [http://www.mileselectricvehicles.com Miles Electric Vehicles]
Contact: Jim Johnson (President)
*(206)328-1750 - 1-800-732-1108
*1200 So. Deaborn Street, Seattle, Wa

===Father Time Machines===
'''Custom Designed Electric Vehicles and Prototypes'''
*Don "Father Time" Crabtree, Burien, WA
*crabtrdw [at] earthlink [dot] net
*206 255 8459

===Cloud Electric Racing===
Cloud Electric Racing: World record holders, Car conversions, racing boats, Electrathons in Woodinville Wa.
*(425)788-9293, cloudvolt(at)hotmail.com

===EV Supply===
Custom EV Conversions, Carlos Zaskorsk Owner
1470 127th Pl. NE
Bellevue, WA 98005
* 206 478 2130
*http://ev-supply.com

===EV Parts Inc.===
EV Parts Inc. High performance EVs and Parts. Check out these cutting edge vehicles conceived and created by the EV Parts team-
*Lectro Rover- http://www.evparts.com/about/index.php?show=rover.ihtml
*Maniac Mazda- http://www.evparts.com/about/index.php?show=mazda.ihtml
*Lightning Rod II- http://www.evparts.com/about/index.php?show=roadster.ihtml
*Gone Postal- http://www.suckamps.com
*Contact- Roderick Wilde 360 582 1271
*160 Harrison Road, #7
*Sequim, WA 98382
*888-387-2787 or locally at 360-582-1271
*http://www.evparts.com
*sales@evparts.com

===Manzanita Micro===
Manzanita Micro- High Performance Battery Chargers and Charge Regulation Systems. Quickest and Most Efficient EV Chargers in the Business.
From our own SEVA, Rich Rudman and Joe Smalley.
*http://www.manzanitamicro.com
Rich Rudman Cell- 360 620 6266

===Synertech Machine===
Synertech Machine and Specialty Fabrications.
Our SEVA Member Nels C. Stranberg.
Ready-Willing-and Able to mechine most Anything necessary in the line of electric cars, such as motor-to-transmission adaptor plates, etc.
*Contact: Nels Stranberg (253)856-1940, nels65(at)attbi.com
*12025 S.E. 196th, Renton, Wa. 98058

===Gabriel Marine===
E-Boats, E-Car Conversions, Parts
*Washington
*(360)437-2136

===E-Car Electrifying Performance===
E-car “Electrifying Performance”
Member and current president of the National Electric Drag Racing Association (NEDRA) Member of the Oregon Electric Vehicle Association (OEVA) Specializing in: Custom Conversions, Show Quality Metal Fabrication, Custom Sound Systems And HIGH PERFORMANCE EV’s Dealer for: Optima, Auburn, Kilovac, and more.
*Contact: John Wayland (503)256-5064, dat1200(at)europa.com
*435 NE 114th. Ave. Portland, OR 97220
*http://www.plasmaboyracing.com

===EcoMotion===
:1625 NE Sandy Blvd.
:Portland, OR 97232
:503-244-5658
:http://eco-motion.com/
*[http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/119891490828330.xml&coll=7&thispage=1 Oregon car dealer wants to go electric, so far settles for green]

===Canadian Electric Vehicles Ltd.===
Canadian Electric Vehicles Ltd.
Canadian Electric Vehicles manufactures electric vehicles and electric vehicle parts.
:Might-E Truck, http://www.canev.com/Commercial/CEV/MightTruck/Junior.html
:Might-E Tug http://www.canev.com/Commercial/CEV/MightTug/Tug.html
:Electric vehicle conversion parts. http://www.canev.com/KitsComp/Components/Components.htm
:Dealers for: Zilla and Curtis controllers, ADC motors, Watermaster, Delta Q, CEV power steering kits and Ceramic heaters Canadian.
The ICE age is over!
*Contact Randy Holmquist (250) 954-2230, Fax:(250) 954-2235, randy(at)canev.com
*P.O. BOX. 616 1184 Middlegate Rr. Errington, B.C. VOR 1V0 Canada
*http://www.canev.com/

===RightHand Engineering, LLC===
Source of battery state-of-charge gauges (E-Meters) and EV data logging software. From our own SEVA, Randy Richmond.
*http://www.righthandeng.com
*Contact Randy Richmond (425) 844-1291, randy(at)righthandeng.com
*Woodinville, WA USA

===EV Source LLC===
EV Source LLC
*Toll free 877-215-6781, 435-512-9978, sales(at)evsource.com
*430 E 1200 N Logan, Utah 84341 USA
*http://www.evsource.com
*Contact: Ryan Bohm (435)512-9978, ryan(at)evsource.com

===Malloy Services & Advanced Auto Service & Repair===
EV Conversion Installation, kits, parts, auto service
*Toll Free 1-888-774-1953, (425)774-1953, css.shop(at)verizon.net
*20918-B 63rd Ave West Lynnwood Wash 98036
*http://www.greenfuelev.com/
*Contact: Pat (206)949-4138 Mike (425)772-9283

==Electric bike and scooter dealers and parts suppliers==
Here are the WA state electric bike and scooter regs-
*http://www.electric-bikes.com/leglWA.htm

===Zortch===
'''Zortch''' of Bellingham, formerly ''Badsey Electric Scooter'' company out of Southern California. Now with an improved and expanded product line.
*Contact: Ken Trough (206)339-VOLT (8658)
*http://zortch.com
**http://visforvoltage.com
**http://voltageforum.com

===Sound Speed Scooters===
Service and repairs for Vespa, Stella, Lambretta and Electric Scooter Sales. Authorized dealer of EVT electric scooters for the greater Seattle area. Stop by and test drive an electric scooter today!
*Contact: (206) 632-2699
*132 Canal Street, Seattle WA 98103
*http://soundspeedscooters.com

===EVs North West===
EVs North West "The leading hybrid electric bicycle dealer in the US,!!!" Multiple Brands, and Types. Excellent service staff. Years of experience.
*http://www.electricvehiclesnw.com

===Mohan Electric Vehicles===
Mohan Electric Vehicles: Mopeds * Scooters * NEVs
*(425)353-9383, mohanmagdum(at)netzero.com
*5029 84th St SW #408, Mukilteo, WA.

===Glide===
Segway human transportation rental center
*Contact Sara Powers (Manager) (206)523-1600, info(at)glideusa.com
*321 North East 72nd Ave. ( just north of Greenlake )
*http://www.glideusa.com

==Organizations==

===Electric-cars-are-for-girls===
'''[http://www.Electric-cars-are-for-girls.com Electric-cars-are-for-girls.com]''' is based in Bremerton, Washington, in the Northwest corner of the United States. Lynne Mason is the brawn behind electric-cars-are-for-girls.com which is a very fine website from the female perspective which we are sometimes lacking in SEVA for some reason.

===Sustainable Ballard===
Sustainable Ballard is a non-profit organization comprised of inventive, interesting neighbors who firmly believe that community self-reliance and sustainability is good foreign policy implemented locally.
*2442 NW Market St, #541 : Seattle, WA 98107
*http://www.sustainableballard.org

===Northern Olympic Peninsula Electric Car Club===
Northern Olympic Peninsula Electric Car Club ( NOPEC )
*Contact Karl Schreiber (360)385-3532
*11 Kanu Drive, Port Townsend, WA 98368

===Tulatin Oregon EV Association===
Tulatin Oregon EV Association
*Contact Lon Gillas (503) 434-4332

===Plug-in Hybrids Electric Vehicles===
See the [[PHEV Projects]] page for links to '''P'''lug-in '''H'''ybrid '''E'''lectric '''V'''ehicle Projects and support organizations.

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News

2008-08-05T21:02:47Z

Aviken:

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'''S E V A - N e w s''' ( Last UP-Date January 10th, 2007)
A NEW PAGE dedicated to the proposition of fast breaking NEWS from our SEVA friends here and around the World. Also see the [[Current events]] page for a permanent archive of past, present, and future EVents.

SEVA now has it's own [http://www.seattleeva.org/smf/index.php Electric Vehicle Forum] - a great place to discuss EV news, conversions, legislation, EVents, Post questions about batteries, list parts for sale, etc.

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==2007 energy bill, raising CAFE standards?==
* 2007.12.27 - autobloggreen.com - [http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/12/27/sen-boxer-invites-epa-head-to-testify-january-10/ Sen. Boxer invites EPA head to testify January 10]
* 2007.12.27 - csmonitor.com - [http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1227/p04s01-wogi.html Who should regulate vehicle emissions?] - Schwarzenegger and the Bush administration duke it out over who has the right to regulate tailpipe emissions.
* 2007.12.20 - nytimes.com [http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/washington/20epa.html E.P.A. Says 17 States Can’t Set Emission Rules]
* 2007.12.19 - plugsandcars.blogspot.com - [http://plugsandcars.blogspot.com/2007/12/epa-says-no-dems-get-rolled-again.html EPA Says No: Dems Get Rolled Again]
* 2007.12.12 - thecarconnection.com - [http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/Daily_Auto_News/Fed_Court_Rules_Calif_Can_Set_Own_Emissions.S173.A13749.html Fed. Court Rules Calif. Can Set Own Emissions]
* 2007.12.12 - autobloggreen.com - [http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/12/12/carmakers-lawsuit-thrown-out-judge-rules-california-can-regula/ Carmakers' lawsuit thrown out, judge rules California can regulate tailpipe emissions]

==Wa. State Climate Mitigation Plans==
2007.12.21 - http://www.ecy.wa.gov/climatechange/CATdocs/122107_1_recommendations.pdf

Here is WA states draft of what they plan to do for climate change. It's open for public comment until Jan 10th, so if we want to suggest anything we better get going. It's a long document and they have mentioned PHEV's, but not pure EV's. I don't know if it is possible to convince them to make a bigger push for EV's, but they could really cut GHG emissions by pushing this area. They also are looking to reduce foreign oil imports which EV's can accoplish, especially with our hydro power availability.

Are we going to comment as a group or individually, or both? Only 10% PHEV's by 2020 means the world is in for deep trouble IMHO.

Below are some excerpts from the overall general plan which includes PHEV's:
:All five of the TWG (technical working group) sectors present significant opportunities for emissions reductions and removals, as shown in Figure 5. Some highlights are outlined here, and more discussion is provided in Section V. Not surprisingly, the transportation sector, <u>which accounts for nearly half the State’s emissions, offers significant emissions reduction potential through increasing vehicle and transportation system efficiency, and reducing vehicle travel from transit, community design, and other measures.</u> Alternative vehicle fuels can also play a major role in the transportation sector by 2020, through a low carbon fuel standard and <u>''plug-in hybrid electric vehicle incentives''</u>, as well as through the agriculture and forestry sector, where the CAT recommends goals for producing 250 million gallons of liquid fuels from biomass by 2020. Another major contributor to potential emissions savings in the agriculture and forestry sectors by 2020 is avoiding the conversion of farm and forest lands, and the resulting loss of carbon stored in trees and soil. Expanding recycling, reuse, and source reduction of municipal waste accounts for about half the emissions reductions in the agriculture/waste column shown. Improvements in building energy efficiency and community design, increasing natural gas efficiency programs, and increasing efficiency standards account for a significant fraction of the emissions reduction shown for the residential, commercial, and industrial sectors. In the energy supply sector, increasing the contribution of renewable and combined heat and power sources are the principal sources of quantified emission reductions shown.
NO. 6 recommendation:
: '''Acceleration and Integration of <u>Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV) Use</u>''' (T-10) speeds up the deployment of PHEV technology, removes barriers to more rapid adoption, creates initial incentives, and provides for the integration of PHEVs with other energy systems. This strategy aims for <u>PHEVs to account for 10% of cars</u>, SUVs and small trucks’ VMT statewide by 2020. '''Improvements to Freight Railroads and Intercity Passenger Railroads''' (T-6) includes expanded use of anti-idle technologies and practices would reduce locomotive idling.

== Electric Vehicle State Legislation - Needs YOUR HELP ==
Come ONE Come ALL To OLYMPIA Washington
to put your Support behind House Bill 1820

What DATE: Wednesday February 14th, 2007
Where: Car Pooling from MC Electric Dearborne Street, Seattle
When: 1:30 p.m. push off time to Olympia
Who: All SEVA members or any one else who would like to
See the proliferation of EVs and NEV's by
making them more marketable, with a top speed of 35
in stead of the very limited 25 mph !
WHY:WHERE AS, the popularization and utilization of Electric Vehicles (EVs)
Can drastically reduce our dependence on foreign Oil.

WHERE AS, the efficiency of an EV is 4 to 5 times that of petrol driven
Internal combustion vehicles per dollar of energy.

WHERE AS, the pollution per mile of an EV is much less than an Internal
Combustion Engines, using any and all known fuels, even if the
electricity is derived from Coal Fired electric generation, and MANY
times cleaner when derived from hydro, or renewable energy
like wind and solar.

WHERE AS, Neighborhood Electric Vehicles, (NEV’s) cost less, and are more
available than most free-way certified EV’s, Hybrids and yet to be available
Plug-In Hybrids.

WHERE AS, most urban automobile trips are within the range per charge
of most NEV's and other EV’s.

WHERE AS, the Department of Energy has determined that existing
available electric energy in the National Grid, could power
80% of today’s vehicles if recharged during OFF-PEAK periods.

WHERE AS, the present federal and state category of “low speed Electric
Vehicles” limits their arterial road speed to 25 m.p.h. which
greatly inhibits their marketability.

WHERE AS, other vehicle types, which do not go through crash testing,
Roll-over testing, and implementation of Air Bags ARE
allowed no speed restrictions, such as motor cycles, and
Certain 3-wheel vehicles..

NOW, THEREFORE,
The Board of Directors and Members of the Seattle EV Association, strongly urge
passage of House Bill 1820, which when passed will change local NEV Regulations
to allow them to attain speeds of 30 to 35 miles per hour on appropriate streets and
arterials, but limit their use to local and state controlled streets, and their exclusion
from Federal Highways will remain.. We further more urge citizens to contact their
Local and state legislators and individually urge passage of HB 1820.

The total Bill, and all the facts behind it can be seen at the Wa Gov.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1820&year=2007

See you there !!!!

If you plan on going down on your OWN, call MC Electric for further Details on the exact building,
and room number for the 3:30 pm hearing. (206) 328 1750

== Bill Moore of EVWorld Does T.O.T.N. Science Friday ==
Our friend Bill Moore, [http://www.evworld.com EVWorld] editor got to do a wonderful 17 min. segment on PBS Science Friday this last week. It was very positive, and lots of good INFO on the GM [[Chevy Volt]]. Check it out with your MP3 software at: http://media.libsyn.com/media/sciencefriday/scifri-2007011226.mp3

==Heads UP Seattle - Radio Interview==
Sunday Morning, January 21st, 2007, 7 am to 8 am on AM 1090

Our President Steve was honored to do yet another Radio Interview on Electric Cars for AM-1090 recently. We have been told by their Public Affairs person, Tami Kosch, that the interview will Air on Sunday morning Jan. 21st at 7 to 8 am. After that it will be up on their Web Site for the whole World to hear…

== Political Movement ==
Our member Stephen Bernheim is active in City Politics in Edmonds, and is on board for [[EVents 2007 01 23|January 23rd]] to propose PHEV legislation for Edmonds City Council. Any and all SEVA members are welcome to come and support this.

== Dates to set aside ==
Couple of Dates for you Early-Birds who have time and money enough to flit round the country from EV Convention to EV Convention:

* Alternative Fuels & Vehicles – Conference and Expo April 1-4, 2007
* Anaheim California. Full Registration $649.

EVS-23 December 2-5 2007 Anaheim California. This is the BIG ONE put on by the
Electric Drive Transportation Association. Cost for all the meetings, Ride-n-Drive, and cocktail parties? $750.

==In the recent PAST==
Great Radio Interview, coming up on Sunday, Fathers day, on 4 of the 5 Sandusky Radio Network stations. It was the BEST radio interview I have had in 20 years!!Covered everything from EV Car Racing, Conversions, FOOL cells, Plug in Hybrids, and why my Son will not convert his Red Mustang to ELECTRIC
Fathers Day Morning June 19th. A little early... Well A LOT EARLY... But what the hay.... Here are the call signs, times, and frequencies:

*on KLSY (Klassy !) 92.5 FM at 5 a.m.
*on KIXI 880 AM, at 5:30 a.m.
*on KWJZ (Cool Jazz) on 98.9 FM at 6 a.m.
*on KKNW 1150 AM, at 7 a.m.

And Here [[:Image:SanduskyRadioInterviewSmall.mp3|Small (7.5 Meg)]]  is where Ryan, our WEB GURU will let you click and down load the interview in MP3 for those of you who do not get UP that early in the morning:
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==SEVA and FlexCar==
It's official! The FlexCar chapter in Seattle, is giving special membership and discounts to any one in the Seattle EV Association driving/owning an Electric Vehicle or a Neighborhood EV!

I think this is a marriage made in EV Heaven. Here is how it works.
An EV owner/user signs up, takes a $50 discount, and drives to any one of many FlexCar parking lots round Seattle. Park your EV, pick up your Honda, or even a few Honda Hybrids, and drive your 50 100 150 mile trip.
Some FlexCar pick-up points will even allow you to charge your 20 to 40 mile/per/charge EV while you make your 100, 200 mile trip.

I know there are other FlexCar outlets in Portland OR. and I think
San Francisco too. Our local manager, Tracy Carroll, one of the original FlexCar founders, should spread the concept to their other outlets.

Here below is a Press-Release-announcement I sent to our local NPR Radio station (KUOW) here in Seattle, a few days ago:

"The Seattle EV Association and FlexCar have teamed up to offer a winning combination to folks who wish to own an EV but often need a vehicle to go a greater distance. Special FlexCar membership discounts, as well as free parking at FlexCar pick-up locations have been offered to any SEVA member owning and operating an EV or NEV. Also in some FlexCar locations modest Re-Charging facilities may be offered as well, thereby greatly enhancing the operating characteristics of EV ownership."

AS a follow up to this, Tracy has a FlexCar customer who works at another NPR station here in the Seattle area ( KEXP 90.3 Mhz ) and Tracy and I will be interviewed on the 25th on the above subject for a program which will be aired on their local program "Sustain ability" on the 28th or 29th...(not sure)

GOOD NEWS ALL ROUND YES !!

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Someday this page may look similar to this [[WikiPedia:Wikipedia:Community_Portal]]

Until then, check the [http://www.seattleeva.org/smf/index.php SEVA Forum] or the [[Current events]] page for both upcoming and past EVents.

Perhaps this would be a good place for a list of maillists and interactive message boards and such!? Perhaps something like this...

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==Other Community Portals==

* Official SEVA <b>[http://www.seattleeva.org/smf/index.php Electric Vehicle Forum]</b>.
* [[Maillist]] - Our own little SEVA Mail list.
* http://www.evdl.org - The ''Ultimate'' EV Discussion List, going back to [[EVDL_Maillist:2006./1./970|1991]].
* http://evtech.org - The more ''Technical'' list for developers and designers.
* http://voltageforum.com - An online EV Forum Community
* http://www.frappr.com/ev - Worldwide map of EV-ers
* http://www.rideablecommunities.org - Protecting the Environment, Reducing Dependency on Foreign Oil and Insuring Homeland Security all at the same time!

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We could also use this page to gage interest in a monthly '''Movie Night'''.

==News Articles==
* See also our local [[News]] page & [http://www.seattleeva.org/smf/index.php/board,20.0.html Electric Car Forum].
* 2007.05.10 [http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/315111_myride10.html?source=mypi Electric autos help drive message on global warming for UW students]

==Audio==
* 2007.11.14 - Sandusky - [[Media:Steven Lough Interview at Sandusky 2007-11-14 16kbs.mp3]]
* 2007.05.16 - minnesota.publicradio.org - [http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/05/16/electricranger/ Ford workers pin hopes on battery-powered truck] - Audio

==Books==
* 2008 - Build Your Own Electric Vehicle ''By Seth Leitman, Bob Brant'' (ISBN 9780071543736) (ISBN 0071543732)
* 2006 - '''Plug-in Hybrids: The Cars that Will Recharge America''' ''by [http://www.sherryboschert.com/ Sherry Boschert]'' (ISBN 0-86571-571-8) (ISBN 978-0-86571-571-4)
** 2007.11.19 - latimes.com - [http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-boschert19nov19,0,4608381.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail Bring back the electric car]
*:The state should reverse its mistake of putting its clean-air hopes in hydrogen instead of battery-powered autos.
*:Quoting Paul Scott of Plug In America, "This is an amazingly well written op-ed! Sherry nailed it perfectly."
* 2006 - Electric Dreams ''by Caroline Kettlewell'' (ISBN 0786714859)
* 2006 - [http://www.internalcombustionbook.com/ Internal Combustion] ''by Edwin Black'' (ISBN 0312359071)
** How Corporations and Governments Addicted the World to Oil and Derailed the Alternatives, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9scQ6078TU Internal Combustion Trailer]
** 2007.11.21 - pluginamerica.org - [http://www.pluginamerica.org/multimedia-center/reviews/2007-11-21-internal-combustion.html Sherry Boschert] Says: "This book changed my understanding of the history of electric cars. The account of a suspicious arson at a factory in which Henry Ford and Thomas Edison hoped to launch a new partnership is fascinating. Black and his team of researchers did a masterful job in digging out historical details, though the book can be a bit long-winded about them. He blows it in the final chapter, however, when he switches from solid historical research to sheer speculation about the future. The book ends with a puff piece about the dream of hydrogen fuel-cell cars that ignores the many formidable obstacles and impracticalities that will make hydrogen cars unrealistic for decades to come. Skip the last chapter, and it's a solid book."
* 2004 - The Hype About Hydrogen: Fact And Fiction In The Race To Save The Climate ''by Joseph J. Romm'' (ISBN 155963703X)
* 2004 - [http://www.oilendgame.com/ Wining the Oil Endgame] ''by: Amory B. Lovins'' (ISBN 1-881071-10-3), [http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/51 video review].
* 1996 - The car that could : the inside story of GM's revolutionary electric vehicle ''by Michael Shnayerson'' (ISBN 067942105X) (ISBN 9780679421054)
* 1994 - Build Your Own Electric Vehicle ''by Bob Brant'' (ISBN 0-8306-4232-3) (ISBN 0-8306-4232-5)
* 1989, 90, 93 - Convert It! a step-by-step manual for converting an internal combustion vehicle to electric power ''by Michael Brown'' (ISBN 1-879857-94-4)
* [[New Electric Vehicles (book)]]
* [[Research#Books]]
* [[EVparts.com FAQ#EV Information Resources]]

==Photos==
* See our local album of [[Photos]].
* The [http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/ EV Album] is a great resource with 100's of EV photos and information

==Videos==
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! The California Air Resources Board (CARB) voted on March 27th, 2008 to decrease from the (1990) original 25,000 ZEV vehicles, while simultaneously increasing from the recently proposed 2,500, settling on requiring 7,500 ZEV's for 2012-2014. Both a drop of 70% and an increase of 300% depending on your perspective, but in the end we all may be the losers. Click [show] to watch some videos.
* eaaev.org - [http://www.eaaev.org/action/ Please Stop CARB from Killing EVs a Second Time] contact Governor Schwarzenegger and CARB!
* calcars-news - [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/calcars-news/message/931 CARB Needs to Hear from Plug-In Advocates (08.03.18)] & [http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/calcars-news/message/937 CARB News/Statistical Analysis (08.03.26)]
* 2008.03.27 - arb.ca.gov - [http://www.arb.ca.gov/newsrel/nr032708b.htm ARB passes new ZEV amendment] "today voted to triple the amount of zero emissions vehicles"
* 2008.03.27 - [http://www.pluginamerica.com pluginamerica.com] "CARB Eviscerates ZEV Program Once Again 25,000 Vehicles becomes 7,500, for 70% Drop"
* 2008.03.28 - nytimes - [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/us/28zero.html California Trims Goal for Number of Emission-Free Vehicles]
* 2008.03.28 - signonsandiego.com - [http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080328/news_1n28carrules.html State slashes clean-air car goal]
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The DVD of '''Who Killed the Electric Car?''' and the book '''Plug-in Hybrids: ''The Cars that Will Recharge America''''' are on sale now at [http://www.pluginamerica.com/wktec.shtml pluginamerica.com]. A portion of each sale benefits Plug In America. Their prices are as good as any you'll find and you'll be supporting a good cause.
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PBS and NOVA are holding "Open Production" on a new documentary named '''[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/car/ Car of the Future]'''. Just the kind of thing we can probably help out with!
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* '''[http://www.bettah.com Bettah.com!]''' - Fun short Flash animation from CalCars.
** 2007.05.22 - [http://www.calcars.org/audio-video/doerr-friedman-22may06.html Thomas Friedman Talks about Plug-In Hybrids] - "Charlie Rose" PBS
** 2006.02.21 - [http://www.calcars.org/audio-video/good-morning-america-21feb06.html Bush Pushes for Alternative Energy] - Good Morning America
** 2008.08.15 - [http://www.calcars.org/audio-video/wnbc-calcars-15aug05.html Chuck Scarborough Reports on CalCars] - WNBC - New York

* '''[http://www.PlugInPartners.com PlugInPartners.com]''' [[Image:Pluginpartnerslogo.gif|left|80px]] is a national grass-roots initiative to demonstrate to automakers that a market for flexible fuel [[PHEV Projects|PHEV]]s exists today. ''"'''Forget Hydrogen, Forget Hydrogen, Forget Hydrogen'''".'' ''"It's a coalition between the Tree-Huggers, Do-Gooders, Sod-Busters, Cheap Hawks, and the Evangelicals".'' --James Woolsey, former director of the CIA. Sign the petition, watch the webcast, and spread the word. In short, a PHEV delivers all of the advantaged of a BEV while retaining the ''unlimited'' range of traditional gas vehicles. See our [[PHEV Projects|Plug-In Hybrid Electric Vehicle Projects]] Page for more information and links to everything we know about this emerging technology.

* '''OEA - Oil Enforcement Agency''' - Eco-Humor or Eco-Activism
** http://oea.freedomfromoil.org/oea_in_action/

===Movies===

* '''[http://www.11thhouraction.com The 11th hour]''' ''"Looks like another great film about our global crisis. I hope it comes to Seattle soon. - Dan."''
:I am writing to tell you about my new environmental film, "The 11th Hour". The film documents the environmental crises we face and the solutions we must begin to implement while change is still possible. [http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?a=nwK0JcMZImJ1JpL&s=giJQLZPKIiIVJ7NGKoG&m=8nJBIRPqE9LSF Please take a look at the trailer for my film here]. With the help of over fifty of the world's most prominent thinkers and activists, including reformer Mikhail Gorbachev, physicist Stephen Hawking, and Nobel Prize winner Wangari Maathai, "The 11th Hour" documents the grave problems facing the planet's life systems. Global warming, deforestation, mass species extinction, and depletion of the oceans' habitats are all addressed. "The 11th Hour" explores how we’ve arrived at this moment — how we live, how we impact the earth’s ecosystems, and what we can do to change our course. However, the most powerful element of "The 11th Hour" is not a portrait of a planet in crisis, but an offering of hope and solutions. The film ends with a call for restorative action through reshaping human activity. "The 11th Hour" opens on August 17th in New York and Los Angeles. On the 24th it opens in other cities and then across the country in the following weeks. It would be great if you could go see it and bring a friend.

* '''[http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/sgw_feature.asp?id=11 An Inconvenient Truth]''' - Feature Movie Trailer
** Watch the trailer for 'An Inconvenient Truth'. The film eloquently weaves the science of global warming with Al Gore's personal history and lifelong commitment to reversing the effects of global warming.

* '''[http://sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar Who Killed the Electric Car?]''' - Feature Movie Trailer ''Centered around the [[GM EV1#Movies|GM EV1]]''
** A series of interviews with experts, customers, and enthusiasts regarding the controversial decision by General Motors to kill its own brilliantly successful EV1 electric car program, which was followed quickly by the secretive, dramatic, and expensive seizure and crushing of most of the 1,100 high performance, zero emissions, gasoline-free, market ready EV1 vehicles in existence.

* '''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0776794/ Crude Awakening]''' - Newer documentary on the global oil industry. '''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or-TyPACK-g trailer]'''

* '''[http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/presents/index.oil.html CNN Presents - We Were Warned]''' -

* '''[http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/monstergarage/episode/season5/episode_77.html Monster Garage - Episode 77: Battery-Powered Dragster]''' - Jesse James and a motley crew of electric vehicle experts set their sights on a battery-powered car. This build was a veritable circus of circuits as they attempted to turn a classic 1962 Chevrolet Bel Air into an electric speed machine that could do 100+ mph in the quarter mile. February 2006

* '''[http://www.kicktheoilhabit.org KickTheOilHabit.org]''' - Good short movie, but no mention of PHEVs yet?

* '''[http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13112.htm Real Oil Crisis]''' from [http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1515141.htm ABC Australia] - 11/25/05 - Run Time 13 minutes

* '''[http://www.abc.net.au/science/crude/ Crude: The incredible journey of oil]''' - I just ran across this very well put together documentary on crude oil (best I've seen so far) and I thought I would pass it along. Its long (90 minutes), but its comprehensive from formation of crude, the discovery of oil, peak oil, to the environmental/economic impact.

=== TV Shows ===
* 2007.12.20 - [http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/12/20/mythbusters-to-bust-myth-electric-cars-are-slow-in-episode-next/ Mythbusters to bust myth electric cars are slow in episode next season]

=== News Coverage ===
* 2008.03.13 - SCAN - [[EVents 2008 03 13#Public Exposure TV Interview]] with Ryan and Dave on EV Conversions.
* 2007.11.30 - king5 - [http://www.king5.com/video/eveningmagazine-index.html?nvid=197464&shu=1 Save gas money with the electric car] featuring [[EAA-PHEV:Green_Car_Company]]
* 2007.11.28 - king5 - [http://www.king5.com/video/eveningmagazine-index.html?nvid=196774&shu=1 The fastest team under the sun]

Thanks to Felix Karamer and Cal Cars News for bringing these to our attention. These 3 video pieces are extremely GOOD on the subject of PHEV's and BEV's especially the last and un-edited 17 minute interview with TESLA.
* http://video.wnbc.com/player/?id=65601
* http://video.wnbc.com/player/?id=70922
* http://video.wnbc.com/player/?id=70885

I urge you all to see the attached four part special on Auto Evolution and EVz. Aside the mandated commercials, it may give you some vision for a brighter and realistic future of ZEV World. Please pass it on and some parts maybe useful for your champagne.
*[http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=2399718 Special Report: Auto Evolution]

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There are five [[Considerations]] to keep in mind as you discover
Electric Vehicles; Range, Environment, History, Efficiency, and Potential.
We hope you enjoy the site and no, we do not power our EVs with lightning, yet.
Rather, area grid electricity tends to come from ''Clean'' Hydro-Electric resources, and regional [[Wind]] resources may have even more potential. Also check out some new [[Solar#Solar Incentives for Washington State Residents|Solar Incentives for Washington State Residents]] which make home solar power even more attractive.

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You can often find SEVA members participating in one of their favorite pass times, [[Racing]]! That's right, Electric Vehicles are pushing the envelope by drag racing thanks to NEDRA the National Electric Drag Racing Association, check out our archive of the [[EVents 2005 9 4|2005 NEDRA Woodburn Nationals]] for a taste of some high performance EVs! You can also find many members daily drivers along with their race vehicles at various [[Current events|EVents]]. Check out the latest NEDRA event, Battery Beach Burnout, wrap up for January 20th and 21st at http://www.batterybeach.com

Have a look at Ricardo Parker's new Seattle PI Blog named [http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/electricvehicleguide ElectricVehicleGuide].

We have two main areas which focus on the vehicles, one branch for [[Conversions|Electric]] and another for [[PHEV Projects|Hybrids]]. While our main focus is on conversions we also have information on production vehicles. If you're looking to buy a BEV you might check out our [[For Sale]] page.

There are a few new areas focusing on [[Batteries]], [[Wind|Fuels]], and [[Pollution]]. They are very new and may be incomplete at the moment. You can help by adding content to these pages...

Visit the new '''[[Media]]''' page for a list of good movies and audio podcasts on the topic of electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids.

[http://www.seattleeva.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&action=edit&section=new Post]
any comments, questions, or suggestions you may have about this site, join to maillist to reach a wider audience or ask questions in our new Forum.<br>
or [[Talk:Main_Page|View Comments]] related to each page on their '''Talk''' pages using the '''Discussion''' link at the top of each.

View archived messages or '''[[Maillist|Join our Maillist]]''' at the '''Maillist''' page!

Be sure to browse our [http://www.seattleeva.org/smf/index.php Electric Vehicle Forum] and feel free post comments or ask questions at your leisure. This is the perfect place to go if you have a specific question that you may not feel comfortable pushing into everyone's email box.
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=ASF Trinity of Bellevue to Show their Stuff in Seattle=

The AFS Trinity folks are doing a test drive event today and tomorrow for the press to show off their "extreme hybrid" technology applied to a couple of Saturn SUVs which give them a a 40-mile pure electric range and unlimited hybrid range.

http://www.afstrinity.com/

Although the event is primarily for the press, they expect they will have open time tomorrow to give test drives to interested SEVA members. They are booked from 2-3 pm, but other times should be open.

They will at S. Lake Union Park. Enter from Terry Ave N, and look for the big blue semi truck.

Pictures below - click on an image to see it full size!

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This page will be used to discuss and vet the implementation of new Forums services for SEVA.

It is here that you will find links to test forums as they are made available for test drives prior to production deployment.

You can keep up to date with changes at this wiki website via the RSS and ATOM feeds via the [[Special:Recentchanges]] page.

= Member Comments =
These are some maillist comments from SEVA members regarding the implementation of a new Forums system for SEVA.
These comments may be moved to a more appropriate location like the the Talk ''(discussion)'' page at some point.
Remember to sign your comments with the signature <html><img src=http://www.seattleeva.org/skins/common/images/button_sig.png></html> toolbar button.
Please sign in if you have an account, and if you don't then consider requesting one.
You can however participate anonymously if you like.
Finally please remember to write a summary of your edit and to preview your post before saving...

'''SEVA Forum Ideas / Topics of Discussion For Meeting 7:00PM THURSDAY MAY 29th at MOSAIC COMMUNITY COFFEE HOUSE.'''

Meeting Goals:

1. Discuss all open concerns & ideas by all parties present, and all comments submitted by email.

2. Come up with a mission statement / forum goals by popular vote.

3. Form official panel of 3-5 to get the forum up and running.

Assumptions:

1. A forum is a good idea and we will make it happen. It is an addition to the exisiting SEVA community, not replacing anything.
2. The SEVA maillist will still operate the same (but with a greater focus Announcements and Events – Steven Lough will still call the shots on what is appropriate or off-topic).
3. The Wiki Site will still operate and continue to add new content and be the main online presence of SEVA.
4. Security, administration, and desired functionality will be available in the solution chosen, and community members will help moderate and support the forum as needed.

Big Decisions to settle before moving forward:

1. I think we need to define – or at least get something close - what we want to get out of this, sort of like a mission statement (but with a little more info) something we can bounce the future decisions of off. An example could be:

“Provide a venue for local EV enthusiasts to openly discuss all issues pertaining to EVs, in a candid yet considerate manner. Uphold the SEVA mission statement to ‘Educate, Demonstrate, and Proliferate electric vehicle’ by building a searchable knowledge base, created, maintained and supported by local members. Support the wave of newcomers to Electric Vehicles by providing FAQs, links to resources and tools – both commercial and hobby, and of course, answers to specific questions.”

The above is a quick (and I mean quick) jotting down of my thoughts about how I envision the forum being used. This is only a suggested starting point, for ideas. Please add your comments / feedback. We’ll shape it into something most people can agree with, and go from there. With something like the above to bounce our ideas / plans against, we can make all other decisions based on whether it supports the mission / goals.

2. Decide on a panel / committee to get the rest of it done. It will go much smoother if a handful of people work together to get the rest of it done (based on majority agreement of what we want out of it). I’m thinking between 3 to 5 people would be plenty – too many folks and it gets hard to meet and get things done. The panel would work with other members as needed (like recruiting Moderators or soliciting feedback at certain junctures).

3. Host with existing site, or separate domain / host? Mostly a technical decision – we will have to click on a link from the Wiki Site to get to the forum anyway, and a link is a link so it will be essentially transparent to members where it is hosted. Considerations here are expense, reliability, redundancy, scalability (bandwidth & storage), and platform.

Once we decide to host with site or externally, then we can determine which software platform to use. Originally I originally wanted it to be tied closely to the wiki, but the more I think about it, the more I am seeing the advantages of having the forum be hosted separately. For one, if they are on different servers, if one is having problems (even if just network congestion) then the other is unaffected. Not having all eggs in one basket so to speak. Also, if we host externally, we have more choices of platform / software, etc.

In regards to software selection, it is first dependant on the platform (most servers are unix / linux based, but all are configured a little different). I would recommend the most common servers – linux /unix based with php & mysql support. That is what our current Wiki runs on, and since it’s (mostly) open source, it’s free – or close to it for related services, such as hosting.

I think most popular bulletin software packages will have all the features we require, and most all of them we want.

Some considerations are:
a. Security / Privacy
b. Administration – powerful enough, but not too difficult to maintain site
c. Moderators roles / rules
d. Members roles / rules / Access rights (Should local members have more rights ie, be able to post pictures, have auto signatures with links, etc.? Do we want to allow members from every country?)
e. Can we tie it (via database / xml / rss) to Seva /Wiki or Seva mailing list? In any way? Do we even want to?
f. Ease of Searching the forum?
g. Are there any costs associated with using the software – Licencse fees, recurring fees, etc?
h. How about advertising support (hosting ads for other sites)…do we even want this feature?
i. Is the software search engine friendly (in other words when people google “Seattle Electric Vehicles” or something, will the forum pop up in the search results.
j. Do we have the tools to keep out spammers ie ban by ip, have ability to “earn” right to post links (such as you have to post 10 times before posting links, etc)

4. Content / layout

a. Categories / topics
b. Default layouts, theme, colors, basic navigation & forum behavior
c. Stickys outlining what goes in which topics, and what goes in off topic category
d. Who will be responsible for creating the content that is not a forum post – such as naming the categories / topics, blurbs explaining different pages, etc.

5. Implementation – to be completed by Forum Panel

--[[User:Aviken|Aviken]] 13:24, 29 May 2008 (CDT)

==Ken Hunt <kenmhunt-at-gmail.com>==
Steven & Ryan & the Forum Folks -

I have gone through all the responses so far, and compiled there comments here. I've also added them to this thread, so please click reply all on all further correspondence regarding the forum idea.

Please let me know if I added you by mistake (like you just wanted to comment, but don't want to be on this thread).

Ryan - I know you are busy with the migration and certainly other things, so don't feel as though you need to address everyones comments right now. I expect this to be an open email discussion, where thoughts, suggestions, comments, complaints, etc can be advanced - and we'll then see if this has the legs to take off.

As other people email me I'll add them to the list, with their comments, probably one at a time from here on out. I grouped these because there are so many too add at first.

==deco-at-pacificsl.com==
I love the idea of a forum. I have considered leaving the group because I cannot keep up w/ the emails. A daily digest-type thing would work much better for me. Thanks for gathering opinions!

==skip-at-pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)==
Rather than risk segmenting the EV discussion space more than it already is,
why not ask the above folks [http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/] to add a section for regional forums? Here's an
example of a forum site which provides that facility:
: http://forums.usms.org/

You can subscribe to forums. I get emails about posts to the USMS forums
(the link I provided earlier) as well as new posts in several forums on the
914world and 914club sites. My only regret is that you can't simply reply
by email.

==daveb-at-drizzle.com==
count me in....
Chuck mentioned he liked getting daily mail just to keep tabs on goings on without having to go to and login to a forum. I do too. but I also thought I saw someone say you can "subscribe" to a forum topic and get all the mail from that topic. true??

==madderscience-at-gmail.com (Brian Hughes)==
This is a good example of an EV-related forum. We could model ours after this one, but with local-to-seattle topics as well.
:http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/

==ntbakerphd-at-earthlink.net (Norm and Peggy Baker)==
Usually I am a lurker but I have to admit I really like the idea of a forum if for nothing more than archiving all the information so newbies to EV's, like me, can access it without undue burden on the regulars. Please do the forum.

Also, I find most of us interested in EV also are interested in electric bikes. In fact, many of us need and use both bikes and cars - electric or not. I wonder if extending an invitation to Seattle electric bikers would be a good idea - especially to participate in area car shows. At this point I am not aware of a Ebiker group group in Seattle that meets and participates like the SEVA group does on cars. It is clear from my subscription to to SEVA, that Seattle needs some sort of incentive to get an electric bike group going. Ebikers participating at car shows and EV shows would be a good thing and possibly start such a group

==alan.l.thompson-at-boeing.com (Alan Thompson)==
Please add me to the list.

I've been contemplating dropping off SEVA due to so much off topic
conversation.

I learned more in five minutes from the site Brian suggested than I have
for months of reading SEVA.

==davidcwhite-at-comcast.net (David White)==
Let'er rip Ken - I agree completely. The volume of mail is substantial and I can hardly keep up. The forum should be hosted and be part of our own website, that way you don't have to wander too far. Plus it will let those you need and want to pontificate on all things green without bogging down the EV issue. Our Webmaster should be able to handle it without any problems.

We need Ryan Fulcher (webmaster) to give us his comments on this and tell us what needs to be done. There's lots of ways to do it, it's relatively simple from a software standpoint, but someone will need to administer and moderate the users. Any volunteers??

==djnova50-at-hotmail.com (Dona)==
Guys, I haven't written yet, but I have really enjoyed reading all of the messages that have been coming to my inbox, since I joined the email list. I want to have "forum" clarified for me please. First, I'll say what I think it is, then you can agree, or clarify please.

To me, a forum is a place on the web where people can post messages, ask questions, or what have you. If somebody stumbles upon a forum message through doing an internet search and wants to post an additional thought or two, it would be necessary to "join" right? Do forums include options for messages to come to a member's inox? I belong to several yahoo groups and if my idea of what a forum is determined to be correct, then yahoo groups would be similar to forums, with some added options.

==c.harbert1-at-verizon.net (Chuck H)==
It looks like it's an advertising site, but it is more organized. I guess there would be no way to recieve the daily chatter on your email without going to the website? I'd miss the daily postings as to what's going on.

Most of the postings are news, current events, energy info and personal EV problems. Not the kind of stuff that needs to be archived. Can't we just do a better job of labelling in the subject line so people can delete the stuff they don't want to read?

==Ryan Fulcher <rjf-at-dolio.net>==
Well, I would like to hold off on adding any new services for a few
weeks as I'm in the middle of migrating the server which hosts the
seva website and maillist to a brand new and faster server.

I like the idea, but the solution unfortunately is not as easy
to properly vet nor implement as apparent by some examples below.
I'm definitely not opposed to the idea, but I also don't want to
start something prematurely just to have it fail or get out of
control. The problem is users, they rarely use tools the way
they should, they want more, they want less, they abuse, and
they are put off and go away...

=== Maillists ===
The nwbiodiesel list is as ours a simple maillist:
: http://lists.nwbiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
The EVDL is a high traffic list and the center of gravity for EV talk.
: http://www.evdl.org/
There is already another official EVTech list at:
: http://evtech.org/

These simple maillists are the easiest way to discuss ideas and
do not require accounts or web browsers, etc. The EVDL has attempted
numerous times to move to a more modern form and has failed each
time because users habits are not easy to change. The major flaw
of these lists however is that they are not easy to search. Ours
happens to have a yahoo group archive, which can be read in a threaded
manner, which is good, but it's search functions are far from great.
I also have a local archive, while it's search function is fairly good,
it is very slow and does not deal well the discussion threads. I would
like to create a good way to properly index all of the above maillists,
and perhaps that would solve some of the issues and allow people to
use RSS and rapidly search the archives of these lists...

=== Forums ===
There are numerous examples of very popular forums, for example
: http://visforvoltage.org/
: http://priuschat.com/forums/
: http://www.priusonline.com/
: http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/
The problem with these are that they generally require yet another
user account for the person to remember. They are web browser based
so they must be kept compatible with everyones software. They may be
difficult to follow or overwhelming to non-technical users, Even I
find many of them just as overwhelming as high bandwidth maillists
like the EVDL. Urls within a forum should be kept short, so people
don't have trouble linking to them or need to resort to tinyurl.

In the end I've used a number of these and am not particularly
impressed by any of them. But I'll begin looking into some of
the open source forum packages and perhaps we can try out some
to see how they work. Ultimately I'd like to see something that
integrates into the wiki... But in the end (I'm told) that the
MediaWiki software we use is not a CMS (Content Management System),
nor a Blog, Forum, nor List Archiver. It is however IMHO a very
nice piece of web editing and collaboration software that is
feature rich, with a clean look and easy learning curve.

Anyway, it's a good idea but with no clear and simple solution.

==Steven Lough==

OK... have to put my President hat on

uhh..... uuhh.... GOSH it still FITS ! Head not too swollen yet...!

I like the idea of these Forums as well, for specific segments of our little SEVA World. i.e.
* EVents
* Technical Problems and Solutions
* EV Racing
* Political and Environ Action
* Slightly OT ( Bio, Solar, etc. etc. )
* Other stuff...

I would also like to Keep our Web Site as a general reference to all the above and so on...

However, I would not relinquish the SEVA e-mail system, for I think it would serve us well for General Announcements, and a simple way
to "reach out and Touch " the whole membership at large... in ONE simple
e-mail transmission...

Seems there are at least a half dozen ways to skin this Cat. Slightly different formats, different programs, etc. I would suggest that all interested parties form a committee and meet to hash it all out in person-to-person, rather than days or weeks of e-mails going back and forth...

That would be my 2 cents...

So Ken, Alan, Ryan, Chuck, Stephen, Brian, Dave, others...
Some one STEP UP and set a date, time and place....
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association

Forums Discussion

2008-05-29T18:23:40Z

Aviken:

{{TOCright}}

This page will be used to discuss and vet the implementation of new Forums services for SEVA.

It is here that you will find links to test forums as they are made available for test drives prior to production deployment.

You can keep up to date with changes at this wiki website via the RSS and ATOM feeds via the [[Special:Recentchanges]] page.

= Member Comments =
These are some maillist comments from SEVA members regarding the implementation of a new Forums system for SEVA.
These comments may be moved to a more appropriate location like the the Talk ''(discussion)'' page at some point.
Remember to sign your comments with the signature <html><img src=http://www.seattleeva.org/skins/common/images/button_sig.png></html> toolbar button.
Please sign in if you have an account, and if you don't then consider requesting one.
You can however participate anonymously if you like.
Finally please remember to write a summary of your edit and to preview your post before saving...

==
SEVA Forum Ideas / Topics of Discussion For Meeting 7:00PM THURSDAY MAY 29th at MOSAIC COMMUNITY COFFEE HOUSE. ==

Meeting Goals:

1. Discuss all open concerns & ideas by all parties present, and all comments submitted by email.

2. Come up with a mission statement / forum goals by popular vote.

3. Form official panel of 3-5 to get the forum up and running.

Assumptions:

1. A forum is a good idea and we will make it happen. It is an addition to the exisiting SEVA community, not replacing anything.
2. The SEVA maillist will still operate the same (but with a greater focus Announcements and Events – Steven Lough will still call the shots on what is appropriate or off-topic).
3. The Wiki Site will still operate and continue to add new content and be the main online presence of SEVA.
4. Security, administration, and desired functionality will be available in the solution chosen, and community members will help moderate and support the forum as needed.

Big Decisions to settle before moving forward:

1. I think we need to define – or at least get something close - what we want to get out of this, sort of like a mission statement (but with a little more info) something we can bounce the future decisions of off. An example could be:

“Provide a venue for local EV enthusiasts to openly discuss all issues pertaining to EVs, in a candid yet considerate manner. Uphold the SEVA mission statement to ‘Educate, Demonstrate, and Proliferate electric vehicle’ by building a searchable knowledge base, created, maintained and supported by local members. Support the wave of newcomers to Electric Vehicles by providing FAQs, links to resources and tools – both commercial and hobby, and of course, answers to specific questions.”

The above is a quick (and I mean quick) jotting down of my thoughts about how I envision the forum being used. This is only a suggested starting point, for ideas. Please add your comments / feedback. We’ll shape it into something most people can agree with, and go from there. With something like the above to bounce our ideas / plans against, we can make all other decisions based on whether it supports the mission / goals.

2. Decide on a panel / committee to get the rest of it done. It will go much smoother if a handful of people work together to get the rest of it done (based on majority agreement of what we want out of it). I’m thinking between 3 to 5 people would be plenty – too many folks and it gets hard to meet and get things done. The panel would work with other members as needed (like recruiting Moderators or soliciting feedback at certain junctures).

3. Host with existing site, or separate domain / host? Mostly a technical decision – we will have to click on a link from the Wiki Site to get to the forum anyway, and a link is a link so it will be essentially transparent to members where it is hosted. Considerations here are expense, reliability, redundancy, scalability (bandwidth & storage), and platform.

Once we decide to host with site or externally, then we can determine which software platform to use. Originally I originally wanted it to be tied closely to the wiki, but the more I think about it, the more I am seeing the advantages of having the forum be hosted separately. For one, if they are on different servers, if one is having problems (even if just network congestion) then the other is unaffected. Not having all eggs in one basket so to speak. Also, if we host externally, we have more choices of platform / software, etc.

In regards to software selection, it is first dependant on the platform (most servers are unix / linux based, but all are configured a little different). I would recommend the most common servers – linux /unix based with php & mysql support. That is what our current Wiki runs on, and since it’s (mostly) open source, it’s free – or close to it for related services, such as hosting.

I think most popular bulletin software packages will have all the features we require, and most all of them we want.

Some considerations are:
a. Security / Privacy
b. Administration – powerful enough, but not too difficult to maintain site
c. Moderators roles / rules
d. Members roles / rules / Access rights (Should local members have more rights ie, be able to post pictures, have auto signatures with links, etc.? Do we want to allow members from every country?)
e. Can we tie it (via database / xml / rss) to Seva /Wiki or Seva mailing list? In any way? Do we even want to?
f. Ease of Searching the forum?
g. Are there any costs associated with using the software – Licencse fees, recurring fees, etc?
h. How about advertising support (hosting ads for other sites)…do we even want this feature?
i. Is the software search engine friendly (in other words when people google “Seattle Electric Vehicles” or something, will the forum pop up in the search results.
j. Do we have the tools to keep out spammers ie ban by ip, have ability to “earn” right to post links (such as you have to post 10 times before posting links, etc)

4. Content / layout

a. Categories / topics
b. Default layouts, theme, colors, basic navigation & forum behavior
c. Stickys outlining what goes in which topics, and what goes in off topic category
d. Who will be responsible for creating the content that is not a forum post – such as naming the categories / topics, blurbs explaining different pages, etc.

5. Implementation – to be completed by Forum Panel

==Ken Hunt <kenmhunt-at-gmail.com>==
Steven & Ryan & the Forum Folks -

I have gone through all the responses so far, and compiled there comments here. I've also added them to this thread, so please click reply all on all further correspondence regarding the forum idea.

Please let me know if I added you by mistake (like you just wanted to comment, but don't want to be on this thread).

Ryan - I know you are busy with the migration and certainly other things, so don't feel as though you need to address everyones comments right now. I expect this to be an open email discussion, where thoughts, suggestions, comments, complaints, etc can be advanced - and we'll then see if this has the legs to take off.

As other people email me I'll add them to the list, with their comments, probably one at a time from here on out. I grouped these because there are so many too add at first.

==deco-at-pacificsl.com==
I love the idea of a forum. I have considered leaving the group because I cannot keep up w/ the emails. A daily digest-type thing would work much better for me. Thanks for gathering opinions!

==skip-at-pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)==
Rather than risk segmenting the EV discussion space more than it already is,
why not ask the above folks [http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/] to add a section for regional forums? Here's an
example of a forum site which provides that facility:
: http://forums.usms.org/

You can subscribe to forums. I get emails about posts to the USMS forums
(the link I provided earlier) as well as new posts in several forums on the
914world and 914club sites. My only regret is that you can't simply reply
by email.

==daveb-at-drizzle.com==
count me in....
Chuck mentioned he liked getting daily mail just to keep tabs on goings on without having to go to and login to a forum. I do too. but I also thought I saw someone say you can "subscribe" to a forum topic and get all the mail from that topic. true??

==madderscience-at-gmail.com (Brian Hughes)==
This is a good example of an EV-related forum. We could model ours after this one, but with local-to-seattle topics as well.
:http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/

==ntbakerphd-at-earthlink.net (Norm and Peggy Baker)==
Usually I am a lurker but I have to admit I really like the idea of a forum if for nothing more than archiving all the information so newbies to EV's, like me, can access it without undue burden on the regulars. Please do the forum.

Also, I find most of us interested in EV also are interested in electric bikes. In fact, many of us need and use both bikes and cars - electric or not. I wonder if extending an invitation to Seattle electric bikers would be a good idea - especially to participate in area car shows. At this point I am not aware of a Ebiker group group in Seattle that meets and participates like the SEVA group does on cars. It is clear from my subscription to to SEVA, that Seattle needs some sort of incentive to get an electric bike group going. Ebikers participating at car shows and EV shows would be a good thing and possibly start such a group

==alan.l.thompson-at-boeing.com (Alan Thompson)==
Please add me to the list.

I've been contemplating dropping off SEVA due to so much off topic
conversation.

I learned more in five minutes from the site Brian suggested than I have
for months of reading SEVA.

==davidcwhite-at-comcast.net (David White)==
Let'er rip Ken - I agree completely. The volume of mail is substantial and I can hardly keep up. The forum should be hosted and be part of our own website, that way you don't have to wander too far. Plus it will let those you need and want to pontificate on all things green without bogging down the EV issue. Our Webmaster should be able to handle it without any problems.

We need Ryan Fulcher (webmaster) to give us his comments on this and tell us what needs to be done. There's lots of ways to do it, it's relatively simple from a software standpoint, but someone will need to administer and moderate the users. Any volunteers??

==djnova50-at-hotmail.com (Dona)==
Guys, I haven't written yet, but I have really enjoyed reading all of the messages that have been coming to my inbox, since I joined the email list. I want to have "forum" clarified for me please. First, I'll say what I think it is, then you can agree, or clarify please.

To me, a forum is a place on the web where people can post messages, ask questions, or what have you. If somebody stumbles upon a forum message through doing an internet search and wants to post an additional thought or two, it would be necessary to "join" right? Do forums include options for messages to come to a member's inox? I belong to several yahoo groups and if my idea of what a forum is determined to be correct, then yahoo groups would be similar to forums, with some added options.

==c.harbert1-at-verizon.net (Chuck H)==
It looks like it's an advertising site, but it is more organized. I guess there would be no way to recieve the daily chatter on your email without going to the website? I'd miss the daily postings as to what's going on.

Most of the postings are news, current events, energy info and personal EV problems. Not the kind of stuff that needs to be archived. Can't we just do a better job of labelling in the subject line so people can delete the stuff they don't want to read?

==Ryan Fulcher <rjf-at-dolio.net>==
Well, I would like to hold off on adding any new services for a few
weeks as I'm in the middle of migrating the server which hosts the
seva website and maillist to a brand new and faster server.

I like the idea, but the solution unfortunately is not as easy
to properly vet nor implement as apparent by some examples below.
I'm definitely not opposed to the idea, but I also don't want to
start something prematurely just to have it fail or get out of
control. The problem is users, they rarely use tools the way
they should, they want more, they want less, they abuse, and
they are put off and go away...

=== Maillists ===
The nwbiodiesel list is as ours a simple maillist:
: http://lists.nwbiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
The EVDL is a high traffic list and the center of gravity for EV talk.
: http://www.evdl.org/
There is already another official EVTech list at:
: http://evtech.org/

These simple maillists are the easiest way to discuss ideas and
do not require accounts or web browsers, etc. The EVDL has attempted
numerous times to move to a more modern form and has failed each
time because users habits are not easy to change. The major flaw
of these lists however is that they are not easy to search. Ours
happens to have a yahoo group archive, which can be read in a threaded
manner, which is good, but it's search functions are far from great.
I also have a local archive, while it's search function is fairly good,
it is very slow and does not deal well the discussion threads. I would
like to create a good way to properly index all of the above maillists,
and perhaps that would solve some of the issues and allow people to
use RSS and rapidly search the archives of these lists...

=== Forums ===
There are numerous examples of very popular forums, for example
: http://visforvoltage.org/
: http://priuschat.com/forums/
: http://www.priusonline.com/
: http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/
The problem with these are that they generally require yet another
user account for the person to remember. They are web browser based
so they must be kept compatible with everyones software. They may be
difficult to follow or overwhelming to non-technical users, Even I
find many of them just as overwhelming as high bandwidth maillists
like the EVDL. Urls within a forum should be kept short, so people
don't have trouble linking to them or need to resort to tinyurl.

In the end I've used a number of these and am not particularly
impressed by any of them. But I'll begin looking into some of
the open source forum packages and perhaps we can try out some
to see how they work. Ultimately I'd like to see something that
integrates into the wiki... But in the end (I'm told) that the
MediaWiki software we use is not a CMS (Content Management System),
nor a Blog, Forum, nor List Archiver. It is however IMHO a very
nice piece of web editing and collaboration software that is
feature rich, with a clean look and easy learning curve.

Anyway, it's a good idea but with no clear and simple solution.

==Steven Lough==

OK... have to put my President hat on

uhh..... uuhh.... GOSH it still FITS ! Head not too swollen yet...!

I like the idea of these Forums as well, for specific segments of our little SEVA World. i.e.
* EVents
* Technical Problems and Solutions
* EV Racing
* Political and Environ Action
* Slightly OT ( Bio, Solar, etc. etc. )
* Other stuff...

I would also like to Keep our Web Site as a general reference to all the above and so on...

However, I would not relinquish the SEVA e-mail system, for I think it would serve us well for General Announcements, and a simple way
to "reach out and Touch " the whole membership at large... in ONE simple
e-mail transmission...

Seems there are at least a half dozen ways to skin this Cat. Slightly different formats, different programs, etc. I would suggest that all interested parties form a committee and meet to hash it all out in person-to-person, rather than days or weeks of e-mails going back and forth...

That would be my 2 cents...

So Ken, Alan, Ryan, Chuck, Stephen, Brian, Dave, others...
Some one STEP UP and set a date, time and place....
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association

Forums Discussion

2008-05-29T18:21:08Z

Aviken:

{{TOCright}}

This page will be used to discuss and vet the implementation of new Forums services for SEVA.

It is here that you will find links to test forums as they are made available for test drives prior to production deployment.

You can keep up to date with changes at this wiki website via the RSS and ATOM feeds via the [[Special:Recentchanges]] page.

= Member Comments =
These are some maillist comments from SEVA members regarding the implementation of a new Forums system for SEVA.
These comments may be moved to a more appropriate location like the the Talk ''(discussion)'' page at some point.
Remember to sign your comments with the signature <html><img src=http://www.seattleeva.org/skins/common/images/button_sig.png></html> toolbar button.
Please sign in if you have an account, and if you don't then consider requesting one.
You can however participate anonymously if you like.
Finally please remember to write a summary of your edit and to preview your post before saving...

SEVA Forum Ideas / Topics of Discussion

Meeting Goals:

1. Discuss all open concerns & ideas by all parties present, and all comments submitted by email.

2. Come up with a mission statement / forum goals by popular vote.

3. Form official panel of 3-5 to get the forum up and running.

Assumptions:

1. A forum is a good idea and we will make it happen. It is an addition to the exisiting SEVA community, not replacing anything.
2. The SEVA maillist will still operate the same (but with a greater focus Announcements and Events – Steven Lough will still call the shots on what is appropriate or off-topic).
3. The Wiki Site will still operate and continue to add new content and be the main online presence of SEVA.
4. Security, administration, and desired functionality will be available in the solution chosen, and community members will help moderate and support the forum as needed.

Big Decisions to settle before moving forward:

1. I think we need to define – or at least get something close - what we want to get out of this, sort of like a mission statement (but with a little more info) something we can bounce the future decisions of off. An example could be:

"Provide a venue for local EV enthusiasts to openly discuss all issues pertaining to EVs, in a candid yet considerate manner. Uphold the SEVA mission statement to 'Educate, Demonstrate, and Proliferate electric vehicle' by building a searchable knowledge base, created, maintained and supported by local members. Support the wave of newcomers to Electric Vehicles by providing FAQs, links to resources and tools – both commercial and hobby, and of course, answers to specific questions."

The above is a quick (and I mean quick) jotting down of my thoughts about how I envision the forum being used. This is only a suggested starting point, for ideas. Please add your comments / feedback. We'll shape it into something most people can agree with, and go from there. With something like the above to bounce our ideas / plans against, we can make all other decisions based on whether it supports the mission / goals.

2. Decide on a panel / committee to get the rest of it done. It will go much smoother if a handful of people work together to get the rest of it done (based on majority agreement of what we want out of it). I'm thinking between 3 to 5 people would be plenty – too many folks and it gets hard to meet and get things done. The panel would work with other members as needed (like recruiting Moderators or soliciting feedback at certain junctures).

3. Host with existing site, or separate domain / host? Mostly a technical decision – we will have to click on a link from the Wiki Site to get to the forum anyway, and a link is a link so it will be essentially transparent to members where it is hosted. Considerations here are expense, reliability, redundancy, scalability (bandwidth & storage), and platform.

Once we decide to host with site or externally, then we can determine which software platform to use. Originally I originally wanted it to be tied closely to the wiki, but the more I think about it, the more I am seeing the advantages of having the forum be hosted separately. For one, if they are on different servers, if one is having problems (even if just network congestion) then the other is unaffected. Not having all eggs in one basket so to speak. Also, if we host externally, we have more choices of platform / software, etc.

In regards to software selection, it is first dependant on the platform (most servers are unix / linux based, but all are configured a little different). I would recommend the most common servers – linux /unix based with php & mysql support. That is what our current Wiki runs on, and since it's (mostly) open source, it's free – or close to it for related services, such as hosting.

I think most popular bulletin software packages will have all the features we require, and most all of them we want.

Some considerations are:

1. Security / Privacy
2. Administration – powerful enough, but not too difficult to maintain site
3. Moderators roles / rules
4. Members roles / rules / Access rights (Should local members have more rights ie, be able to post pictures, have auto signatures with links, etc.? Do we want to allow members from every country?)
5. Can we tie it (via database / xml / rss) to Seva /Wiki or Seva mailing list? In any way? Do we even want to?
6. Ease of Searching the forum?
7. Are there any costs associated with using the software – License fees, recurring fees, etc?
8. How about advertising support (hosting ads for other sites)…do we even want this feature?
9. Is the software search engine friendly (in other words when people google "Seattle Electric Vehicles" or something, will the forum pop up in the search results.
10. Do we have the tools to keep out spammers ie ban by ip, have ability to "earn" right to post links (such as you have to post 10 times before posting links, etc)

4. Content / layout

a. Categories / topics

b. Default layouts, theme, colors, basic navigation & forum behavior

c. Stickys outlining what goes in which topics, and what goes in off topic category

d. Who will be responsible for creating the content that is not a forum post – such as naming the categories / topics, blurbs explaining different pages, etc.

5. Implementation – to be completed by Forum Panel

==Ken Hunt <kenmhunt-at-gmail.com>==
Steven & Ryan & the Forum Folks -

I have gone through all the responses so far, and compiled there comments here. I've also added them to this thread, so please click reply all on all further correspondence regarding the forum idea.

Please let me know if I added you by mistake (like you just wanted to comment, but don't want to be on this thread).

Ryan - I know you are busy with the migration and certainly other things, so don't feel as though you need to address everyones comments right now. I expect this to be an open email discussion, where thoughts, suggestions, comments, complaints, etc can be advanced - and we'll then see if this has the legs to take off.

As other people email me I'll add them to the list, with their comments, probably one at a time from here on out. I grouped these because there are so many too add at first.

==deco-at-pacificsl.com==
I love the idea of a forum. I have considered leaving the group because I cannot keep up w/ the emails. A daily digest-type thing would work much better for me. Thanks for gathering opinions!

==skip-at-pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)==
Rather than risk segmenting the EV discussion space more than it already is,
why not ask the above folks [http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/] to add a section for regional forums? Here's an
example of a forum site which provides that facility:
: http://forums.usms.org/

You can subscribe to forums. I get emails about posts to the USMS forums
(the link I provided earlier) as well as new posts in several forums on the
914world and 914club sites. My only regret is that you can't simply reply
by email.

==daveb-at-drizzle.com==
count me in....
Chuck mentioned he liked getting daily mail just to keep tabs on goings on without having to go to and login to a forum. I do too. but I also thought I saw someone say you can "subscribe" to a forum topic and get all the mail from that topic. true??

==madderscience-at-gmail.com (Brian Hughes)==
This is a good example of an EV-related forum. We could model ours after this one, but with local-to-seattle topics as well.
:http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/

==ntbakerphd-at-earthlink.net (Norm and Peggy Baker)==
Usually I am a lurker but I have to admit I really like the idea of a forum if for nothing more than archiving all the information so newbies to EV's, like me, can access it without undue burden on the regulars. Please do the forum.

Also, I find most of us interested in EV also are interested in electric bikes. In fact, many of us need and use both bikes and cars - electric or not. I wonder if extending an invitation to Seattle electric bikers would be a good idea - especially to participate in area car shows. At this point I am not aware of a Ebiker group group in Seattle that meets and participates like the SEVA group does on cars. It is clear from my subscription to to SEVA, that Seattle needs some sort of incentive to get an electric bike group going. Ebikers participating at car shows and EV shows would be a good thing and possibly start such a group

==alan.l.thompson-at-boeing.com (Alan Thompson)==
Please add me to the list.

I've been contemplating dropping off SEVA due to so much off topic
conversation.

I learned more in five minutes from the site Brian suggested than I have
for months of reading SEVA.

==davidcwhite-at-comcast.net (David White)==
Let'er rip Ken - I agree completely. The volume of mail is substantial and I can hardly keep up. The forum should be hosted and be part of our own website, that way you don't have to wander too far. Plus it will let those you need and want to pontificate on all things green without bogging down the EV issue. Our Webmaster should be able to handle it without any problems.

We need Ryan Fulcher (webmaster) to give us his comments on this and tell us what needs to be done. There's lots of ways to do it, it's relatively simple from a software standpoint, but someone will need to administer and moderate the users. Any volunteers??

==djnova50-at-hotmail.com (Dona)==
Guys, I haven't written yet, but I have really enjoyed reading all of the messages that have been coming to my inbox, since I joined the email list. I want to have "forum" clarified for me please. First, I'll say what I think it is, then you can agree, or clarify please.

To me, a forum is a place on the web where people can post messages, ask questions, or what have you. If somebody stumbles upon a forum message through doing an internet search and wants to post an additional thought or two, it would be necessary to "join" right? Do forums include options for messages to come to a member's inox? I belong to several yahoo groups and if my idea of what a forum is determined to be correct, then yahoo groups would be similar to forums, with some added options.

==c.harbert1-at-verizon.net (Chuck H)==
It looks like it's an advertising site, but it is more organized. I guess there would be no way to recieve the daily chatter on your email without going to the website? I'd miss the daily postings as to what's going on.

Most of the postings are news, current events, energy info and personal EV problems. Not the kind of stuff that needs to be archived. Can't we just do a better job of labelling in the subject line so people can delete the stuff they don't want to read?

==Ryan Fulcher <rjf-at-dolio.net>==
Well, I would like to hold off on adding any new services for a few
weeks as I'm in the middle of migrating the server which hosts the
seva website and maillist to a brand new and faster server.

I like the idea, but the solution unfortunately is not as easy
to properly vet nor implement as apparent by some examples below.
I'm definitely not opposed to the idea, but I also don't want to
start something prematurely just to have it fail or get out of
control. The problem is users, they rarely use tools the way
they should, they want more, they want less, they abuse, and
they are put off and go away...

=== Maillists ===
The nwbiodiesel list is as ours a simple maillist:
: http://lists.nwbiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion
The EVDL is a high traffic list and the center of gravity for EV talk.
: http://www.evdl.org/
There is already another official EVTech list at:
: http://evtech.org/

These simple maillists are the easiest way to discuss ideas and
do not require accounts or web browsers, etc. The EVDL has attempted
numerous times to move to a more modern form and has failed each
time because users habits are not easy to change. The major flaw
of these lists however is that they are not easy to search. Ours
happens to have a yahoo group archive, which can be read in a threaded
manner, which is good, but it's search functions are far from great.
I also have a local archive, while it's search function is fairly good,
it is very slow and does not deal well the discussion threads. I would
like to create a good way to properly index all of the above maillists,
and perhaps that would solve some of the issues and allow people to
use RSS and rapidly search the archives of these lists...

=== Forums ===
There are numerous examples of very popular forums, for example
: http://visforvoltage.org/
: http://priuschat.com/forums/
: http://www.priusonline.com/
: http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/
The problem with these are that they generally require yet another
user account for the person to remember. They are web browser based
so they must be kept compatible with everyones software. They may be
difficult to follow or overwhelming to non-technical users, Even I
find many of them just as overwhelming as high bandwidth maillists
like the EVDL. Urls within a forum should be kept short, so people
don't have trouble linking to them or need to resort to tinyurl.

In the end I've used a number of these and am not particularly
impressed by any of them. But I'll begin looking into some of
the open source forum packages and perhaps we can try out some
to see how they work. Ultimately I'd like to see something that
integrates into the wiki... But in the end (I'm told) that the
MediaWiki software we use is not a CMS (Content Management System),
nor a Blog, Forum, nor List Archiver. It is however IMHO a very
nice piece of web editing and collaboration software that is
feature rich, with a clean look and easy learning curve.

Anyway, it's a good idea but with no clear and simple solution.

==Steven Lough==

OK... have to put my President hat on

uhh..... uuhh.... GOSH it still FITS ! Head not too swollen yet...!

I like the idea of these Forums as well, for specific segments of our little SEVA World. i.e.
* EVents
* Technical Problems and Solutions
* EV Racing
* Political and Environ Action
* Slightly OT ( Bio, Solar, etc. etc. )
* Other stuff...

I would also like to Keep our Web Site as a general reference to all the above and so on...

However, I would not relinquish the SEVA e-mail system, for I think it would serve us well for General Announcements, and a simple way
to "reach out and Touch " the whole membership at large... in ONE simple
e-mail transmission...

Seems there are at least a half dozen ways to skin this Cat. Slightly different formats, different programs, etc. I would suggest that all interested parties form a committee and meet to hash it all out in person-to-person, rather than days or weeks of e-mails going back and forth...

That would be my 2 cents...

So Ken, Alan, Ryan, Chuck, Stephen, Brian, Dave, others...
Some one STEP UP and set a date, time and place....
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association

EVents/2008 05 22

2008-05-25T18:52:02Z

Aviken: /* Kenmore Students and Parents Show Interest in EVs */

[[Category:EVents]]{{EVents}}
==EV Lecture and EV Car Show - Kenmore Jr. High School==

Steve Lough has been asked to lecture on his Favorite Subject, Electric Cars again at Kenmore Jr. High School, on the evening of May 22nd in their cafeteria. The Address is:
20323 66th Ave.NE. Kenmore. One heads UP 61st Place NE from Lake City Way, Double back on Lockwood to 66th Ave, at that point you will see the school.

In stead of just preaching to the youngsters, this evening EVent, 7 pm till 8:30 is being extended to the Parents, and Students.

Looks like we have 2 vehicles coming, but we could use MORE. So Contact me. And come Along

Steve Lough
stevenslough -at- comcast.net
Day: 206 850 8535
evenings: 206 524 1351

Thanks.....

== Kenmore Students and Parents Show Interest in EVs ==

I have to be honest – I was wondering how many junior high students would get their parents to spend an evening at the school being lectured on the value of Electric Vehicles. When I showed up (late I might add), the room was nearly filled to capacity, and fully engaged with Stephen’s presentation.

I thought the turn out was great, and I was encouraged to see our future leaders showing such a sincere curiosity and interest in Electric Vehicles and alternative modes of transportation. Lots of soon to be driving kids had suggestions and question ranging from perpetual motion to running vehicles off of the force created when liquid nitrogen expands into it’s gaseous form.

The parents – as well as some faculty of the school also asked great questions from how long until we can buy one from the big automakers, to how far can they go and can the batteries be recycled. All of which I thought were fielded and addressed well by Mr. Lough.

Following the speech and an informative question & answer session, the group got to see the X1 smoke the Ferrari and Porsche in the quarter mile on the large video screen. Unfortunately, some videos were not able to launch – likely an “I’m a mac, and you’re a pc so let’s not play nice issue”.

The real fun began when we were dismissed to view the 5 cars that were on display (thanks again to everyone who was able to bring their cars, trucks, and “''motorcycles''”). I took several pictures which are in a photo gallery at the bottom of this post. If anyone wants the fully uncompressed image(s), just email me (keep in mind they will be about 4MB each).

The genuine curiosity & enthusiasm from the parents and students was amazing. There was also a representative from the Bothell Reporter (please correct if it was a different paper) there to cover the event, thanks finding out about it from someone’s blog. His name escapes me at the moment, but he got a ride in Jeff Finn’s Voltrunner at the end of the night, and hopefully he will have great things to say about the experience – and EVs in general.

Please feel free to make any corrections, add names, edit this as you see fit. It’s my first “post” on this site, and I just wanted to share the photos and a summary of the event.

--[[User:Aviken|Aviken]] 12:46, 25 May 2008 (CDT)

<gallery>
Image:Lecture01.jpg|Stephen Talks EV
Image:car_viewing01.jpg|Green Interest
Image:car_viewing02.jpg|Big Youth Turnout
Image:car_viewing03.jpg|Jeff answers family's questions
Image:car_viewing04.jpg|Factory Ford Ranger EV
Image:car_viewing05.jpg|Checkin' Out the VW
Image:car_viewing06.jpg|So thats your trunk
Image:car_viewing07.jpg|Checkin' out the Voltrunner
Image:car_viewing08.jpg|Just hangin' out
Image:car_viewing09.jpg|So thats how it works...
Image:cars01.jpg|VW Power
Image:cars02.jpg|Juice anyone?
Image:cars03.jpg|AC Power
Image:cars04.jpg|Electruk!
Image:cars05.jpg|Not Quite Primary Colors...
Image:cars07.jpg|EV Family Portrait
Image:cars08.jpg|Freeway Legal 'Motorcycle'
Image:cars09.jpg|The Batteries must be hiding under the bed
Image:cars10.jpg|Lean Green Machine
Image:cars11.jpg|Mopar Green?
</gallery>

EVents/2008 05 22

2008-05-25T18:50:03Z

Aviken: /* Kenmore Students and Parents Show Interest in EVs */

[[Category:EVents]]{{EVents}}
==EV Lecture and EV Car Show - Kenmore Jr. High School==

Steve Lough has been asked to lecture on his Favorite Subject, Electric Cars again at Kenmore Jr. High School, on the evening of May 22nd in their cafeteria. The Address is:
20323 66th Ave.NE. Kenmore. One heads UP 61st Place NE from Lake City Way, Double back on Lockwood to 66th Ave, at that point you will see the school.

In stead of just preaching to the youngsters, this evening EVent, 7 pm till 8:30 is being extended to the Parents, and Students.

Looks like we have 2 vehicles coming, but we could use MORE. So Contact me. And come Along

Steve Lough
stevenslough -at- comcast.net
Day: 206 850 8535
evenings: 206 524 1351

Thanks.....

== Kenmore Students and Parents Show Interest in EVs ==

I have to be honest – I was wondering how many junior high students would get their parents to spend an evening at the school being lectured on the value of Electric Vehicles. When I showed up (late I might add), the room was nearly filled to capacity, and fully engaged with Stephen’s presentation.

I thought the turn out was great, and I was encouraged to see our future leaders showing such a sincere curiosity and interest in Electric Vehicles and alternative modes of transportation. Lots of soon to be driving kids had suggestions and question ranging from perpetual motion to running vehicles off of the force created when liquid nitrogen expands into it’s gaseous form.

The parents – as well as some faculty of the school also asked great questions from how long until we can buy one from the big automakers, to how far can they go and can the batteries be recycled. All of which I thought were fielded and addressed well by Mr. Lough.

Following the speech and an informative question & answer session, the group got to see the X1 smoke the Ferrari and Porsche in the quarter mile on the large video screen. Unfortunately, some videos were not able to launch – likely an “I’m a mac, and you’re a pc so let’s not play nice issue”.

The real fun began when we were dismissed to view the 5 cars that were on display (thanks again to everyone who was able to bring their cars, trucks, and “''motorcycles''”). '''I took several pictures which are in a photo gallery at the bottom of this post.''' If anyone wants the fully uncompressed image(s), just email me (keep in mind they will be about 4MB each).

The genuine curiosity & enthusiasm from the parents and students was amazing. There was also a representative from the Bothell Reporter (please correct if it was a different paper) there to cover the event, thanks finding out about it from someone’s blog. His name escapes me at the moment, but he got a ride in Jeff Finn’s Voltrunner at the end of the night, and hopefully he will have great things to say about the experience – and EVs in general.

Please feel free to make any corrections, add names, edit this as you see fit. It’s my first “post” on this site, and I just wanted to share the photos and a summary of the event.

--[[User:Aviken|Aviken]] 12:46, 25 May 2008 (CDT)

<gallery>
Image:Lecture01.jpg|Stephen Talks EV
Image:car_viewing01.jpg|Green Interest
Image:car_viewing02.jpg|Big Youth Turnout
Image:car_viewing03.jpg|Jeff answers family's questions
Image:car_viewing04.jpg|Factory Ford Ranger EV
Image:car_viewing05.jpg|Checkin' Out the VW
Image:car_viewing06.jpg|So thats your trunk
Image:car_viewing07.jpg|Checkin' out the Voltrunner
Image:car_viewing08.jpg|Just hangin' out
Image:car_viewing09.jpg|So thats how it works...
Image:cars01.jpg|VW Power
Image:cars02.jpg|Juice anyone?
Image:cars03.jpg|AC Power
Image:cars04.jpg|Electruk!
Image:cars05.jpg|Not Quite Primary Colors...
Image:cars07.jpg|EV Family Portrait
Image:cars08.jpg|Freeway Legal 'Motorcycle'
Image:cars09.jpg|The Batteries must be hiding under the bed
Image:cars10.jpg|Lean Green Machine
Image:cars11.jpg|Mopar Green?
</gallery>

EVents/2008 05 22

2008-05-25T18:44:31Z

Aviken: /* Kenmore Students and Parents Show Interest in EVs */

[[Category:EVents]]{{EVents}}
==EV Lecture and EV Car Show - Kenmore Jr. High School==

Steve Lough has been asked to lecture on his Favorite Subject, Electric Cars again at Kenmore Jr. High School, on the evening of May 22nd in their cafeteria. The Address is:
20323 66th Ave.NE. Kenmore. One heads UP 61st Place NE from Lake City Way, Double back on Lockwood to 66th Ave, at that point you will see the school.

In stead of just preaching to the youngsters, this evening EVent, 7 pm till 8:30 is being extended to the Parents, and Students.

Looks like we have 2 vehicles coming, but we could use MORE. So Contact me. And come Along

Steve Lough
stevenslough -at- comcast.net
Day: 206 850 8535
evenings: 206 524 1351

Thanks.....

== Kenmore Students and Parents Show Interest in EVs ==

I have to be honest – I was wondering how many junior high students would get their parents to spend an evening at the school being lectured on the value of Electric Vehicles. When I showed up (late I might add), the room was nearly filled to capacity, and fully engaged with Stephen’s presentation.

I thought the turn out was great, and I was encouraged to see our future leaders showing such a sincere curiosity and interest in Electric Vehicles and alternative modes of transportation. Lots of soon to be driving kids had suggestions and question ranging from perpetual motion to running vehicles off of the force created when liquid nitrogen expands into it’s gaseous form.

The parents – as well as some faculty of the school also asked great questions from how long until we can buy one from the big automakers, to how far can they go and can the batteries be recycled. All of which I thought were fielded and addressed well by Mr. Lough.

Following the speech and an informative question & answer session, the group got to see the X1 smoke the Ferrari and Porsche in the quarter mile on the large video screen. Unfortunately, some videos were not able to launch – likely an “I’m a mac, and you’re a pc so let’s not play nice issue”.

The real fun began when we were dismissed to view the 5 cars that were on display (thanks again to everyone who was able to bring their cars, trucks, and “''motorcycles''”). I took several pictures which will be posted here.

The genuine curiosity & enthusiasm from the parents and students was amazing. There was also a representative from the Bothell Reporter (please correct if it was a different paper) there to cover the event, thanks finding out about it from someone’s blog. His name escapes me at the moment, but he got a ride in Jeff Finn’s Voltrunner at the end of the night, and hopefully he will have great things to say about the experience – and EVs in general.

Please feel free to make any corrections, add names, edit this as you see fit. It’s my first “post” on this wiki, and I just wanted to share the photos and a summary of the event.

--[[User:Aviken|Aviken]] 12:46, 25 May 2008 (CDT)

<gallery>
Image:Lecture01.jpg|Stephen Talks EV
Image:car_viewing01.jpg|Green Interest
Image:car_viewing02.jpg|Big Youth Turnout
Image:car_viewing03.jpg|Jeff answers family's questions
Image:car_viewing04.jpg|Factory Ford Ranger EV
Image:car_viewing05.jpg|Checkin' Out the VW
Image:car_viewing06.jpg|So thats your trunk
Image:car_viewing07.jpg|Checkin' out the Voltrunner
Image:car_viewing08.jpg|Just hangin' out
Image:car_viewing09.jpg|So thats how it works...
Image:cars01.jpg|VW Power
Image:cars02.jpg|Juice anyone?
Image:cars03.jpg|AC Power
Image:cars04.jpg|Electruk!
Image:cars05.jpg|Not Quite Primary Colors...
Image:cars07.jpg|EV Family Portrait
Image:cars08.jpg|Freeway Legal 'Motorcycle'
Image:cars09.jpg|The Batteries must be hiding under the bed
Image:cars10.jpg|Lean Green Machine
Image:cars11.jpg|Mopar Green?
</gallery>

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EVents/2008 05 22

2008-05-25T18:05:46Z

Aviken: /* Kenmore Students and Parents Show Interest in EVs */

[[Category:EVents]]{{EVents}}
==EV Lecture and EV Car Show - Kenmore Jr. High School==

Steve Lough has been asked to lecture on his Favorite Subject, Electric Cars again at Kenmore Jr. High School, on the evening of May 22nd in their cafeteria. The Address is:
20323 66th Ave.NE. Kenmore. One heads UP 61st Place NE from Lake City Way, Double back on Lockwood to 66th Ave, at that point you will see the school.

In stead of just preaching to the youngsters, this evening EVent, 7 pm till 8:30 is being extended to the Parents, and Students.

Looks like we have 2 vehicles coming, but we could use MORE. So Contact me. And come Along

Steve Lough
stevenslough -at- comcast.net
Day: 206 850 8535
evenings: 206 524 1351

Thanks.....

== Kenmore Students and Parents Show Interest in EVs ==

I have to be honest – I was wondering how many junior high students would get their parents to spend an evening at the school being lectured on the value of Electric Vehicles. When I showed up (late I might add), the room was nearly filled to capacity, and fully engaged with Stephen’s presentation.

I thought the turn out was great, and I was encouraged to see our future leaders showing such a sincere curiosity and interest in Electric Vehicles and alternative modes of transportation. Lots of soon to be driving kids had suggestions and question ranging from perpetual motion to running vehicles off of the force created when liquid nitrogen expands into it’s gaseous form.

The parents – as well as some faculty of the school also asked great questions from how long until we can buy one from the big automakers, to how far can they go and can the batteries be recycled. All of which I thought were fielded and addressed well by Mr. Lough.

Following the speech and an informative question & answer session, the group got to see the X1 smoke the Ferrari and Porsche in the quarter mile on the large video screen. Unfortunately, some videos were not able to launch – likely an “I’m a mac, and you’re a pc so let’s not play nice issue”.

The real fun began when we were dismissed to view the 5 cars that were on display (thanks again to everyone who was able to bring their cars, trucks, and “''motorcycles''”). I took several pictures which will be posted here.

The genuine curiosity & enthusiasm from the parents and students was amazing. There was also a representative from the Bothell Reporter (please correct if it was a different paper) there to cover the event, thanks finding out about it from someone’s blog. His name escapes me at the moment, but he got a ride in Jeff Finn’s Voltrunner at the end of the night, and hopefully he will have great things to say about the experience – and EVs in general.

Please feel free to make any corrections, add names, edit this as you see fit. It’s my first “post” on this wiki, and I just wanted to share the photos and a summary of the event.

--[[User:Aviken|Aviken]] 12:46, 25 May 2008 (CDT)

<gallery>
Image:Lecture01.jpg|Stephen Talks EV
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2008-05-25T17:58:11Z

Aviken: SEVA President Steven Lough Discuses EVs at Kenmore Jr High

SEVA President Steven Lough Discuses EVs at Kenmore Jr High

EVents/2008 05 22

2008-05-25T17:46:52Z

Aviken: Kenmore Lecture & Car Show a Success!

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==EV Lecture and EV Car Show - Kenmore Jr. High School==

Steve Lough has been asked to lecture on his Favorite Subject, Electric Cars again at Kenmore Jr. High School, on the evening of May 22nd in their cafeteria. The Address is:
20323 66th Ave.NE. Kenmore. One heads UP 61st Place NE from Lake City Way, Double back on Lockwood to 66th Ave, at that point you will see the school.

In stead of just preaching to the youngsters, this evening EVent, 7 pm till 8:30 is being extended to the Parents, and Students.

Looks like we have 2 vehicles coming, but we could use MORE. So Contact me. And come Along

Steve Lough
stevenslough -at- comcast.net
Day: 206 850 8535
evenings: 206 524 1351

Thanks.....

== Kenmore Students and Parents Show Interest in EVs ==

I have to be honest – I was wondering how many junior high students would get their parents to spend an evening at the school being lectured on the value of Electric Vehicles. When I showed up (late I might add), the room was nearly filled to capacity, and fully engaged with Stephen’s presentation.

I thought the turn out was great, and I was encouraged to see our future leaders showing such a sincere curiosity and interest in Electric Vehicles and alternative modes of transportation. Lots of soon to be driving kids had suggestions and question ranging from perpetual motion to running vehicles off of the force created when liquid nitrogen expands into it’s gaseous form.

The parents – as well as some faculty of the school also asked great questions from how long until we can buy one from the big automakers, to how far can they go and can the batteries be recycled. All of which I thought were fielded and addressed well by Mr. Lough.

Following the speech and an informative question & answer session, the group got to see the X1 smoke the Ferrari and Porsche in the quarter mile on the large video screen. Unfortunately, some videos were not able to launch – likely an “I’m a mac, and you’re a pc so let’s not play nice issue”.

The real fun began when we were dismissed to view the 5 cars that were on display (thanks again to everyone who was able to bring their cars, trucks, and “''motorcycles''”). I took several pictures which will be posted here.

The genuine curiosity & enthusiasm from the parents and students was amazing. There was also a representative from the Bothell Reporter (please correct if it was a different paper) there to cover the event, thanks finding out about it from someone’s blog. His name escapes me at the moment, but he got a ride in Jeff Finn’s Voltrunner at the end of the night, and hopefully he will have great things to say about the experience – and EVs in general.

Please feel free to make any corrections, add names, edit this as you see fit. It’s my first “post” on this wiki, and I just wanted to share the photos and a summary of the event.

--[[User:Aviken|Aviken]] 12:46, 25 May 2008 (CDT)

User:Aviken

2008-05-25T16:09:55Z

Aviken:

I am an entrepreneur with web savvy. After watching Peak Oil, I purchased Who Killed the Electric Car...my eyes have been readjusting every since.

My interest in Electric Vehicles stems from a great curiosity of electricity, an intense drive to make things more efficient, being fed up with buying foreign fossil fuels because "there is no viable alternative", and generally wanting to become more self sufficient. I am also very interested in solar, wind and water generation of electricity, and I tend to think out side of the box.

In 2003 I quit my day job to run my start up ecommerce company full time. After 4 years and several online stores, I decided to close or sell my online stores to focus on my family and serving God in my church. I am still active in small business - especially online ones, but more as a supportive / consultant role - not a business owner.

I am very vocal about what I believe in, and I believe electric cars have huge potential. I do not trust big business (that includes our government) to bring dependable, cost effective EVs to market anytime soon. I believe that the oil companies, the automakers, and our government are all in this together, to help line the pockets of all 3 parties. I do not believe they have the consumer's best interest in mind, only how many billions in profits they may extract. The large automakers have the technology today to build a car that gets 75MPG (or more) on gas alone, but they don't have to, so they don't. They have the technology now to produce on a large scale, totally electric cars that outperform the EV1, and sell it at a price point of $30-40k - but again they don't. They are ''too'' efficient. They loose far too much revenue in extended contracts, service work, repairs, and replacing of simple part that wear out (too quickly if you ask me). All companies make their money somewhere. If any business is giving a great deal - they they are making their revenue somewhere else, that is a fact (or they will go into the red and eventually fold).

Something my psychology teacher taught me my junior year in high school was to "follow the money". Simple yet sound words of advice, that seems to be the key to so many problems - problems that could be solved if it were not for the love of money.

That's it - that's a little about me.

Members

2008-05-25T15:41:14Z

Aviken:

See the [http://eaaev.org/eaamembership.html EAA Membership] page to learn how to join.
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*'''SEVA President:'''
*[[User:Steven Lough|Steven Lough]]
*6021 32nd Ave NE. Seattle, WA. 98115-7230
*Phone : (voice) 206-524-1351, (fax) 206-526-5348, (day) 206-850-8535
*E-mail : stevenslough(at)comcast.net
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*'''SEVA Treasurer'''
*John Frost, and his RED E-914 Porsche
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*Dave Cloud
*Cloud Racing Woodinville Wa.
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*Eric Sundin
*4506 Bagley Ave. No Seattle, WA 98103 0263
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*Victor Munoz
*'''[[Local Charging]]'''
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*Jim Waite, and his beautiful E-BMW
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*Newls Strndberg: Machinist of EV Parts
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* Jeff Finn
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* Owner/Driver/Project Manager of 2000 Chevrolet Metro LSI conversion to EV
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* Ken Hunt
* Email: kenmhunt(at)gmail(dot)com
* Looking to convert 4 seat family car / small suv with lithium pack for superior range.
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