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« Topic Start: October 22, 2009, 11:20:49 am »

...with a link to your post.

Write: "Please do not reply on group mail"...

Yes, yes, yes!  I agree totally. The overnight volume is ridiculous...

*AND*

Aren't you folks going to going get tired of answering how to wire your garage for the umpteenth time?  (for example)

The BBS is SEARCHABLE and you only have to ask and answer questions once.  Then you ask folk posting Q's to kindly use the search function for the answers...

Hey, I might wire for an EV in a year, two or three. Not right now. How many emails do I have to print out and save in a file so I capture this info. (not going to happen)...OR I could just rely on the knowledge I know is on the Forum and my ability to use the search functions by keyword.

That said the links to breaking news are nice to get on the group mail BUT again double post them on the news section on the FORUM and add a pointer link for comments in your group mail. Takes like two seconds more...

You are reducing the usefulness of your expertise by an order of magnitude by keeping all communication on the group email.

And as a new member I find extremely off putting 1) the volume 2) and the fact that nothing is going on the forum. If I didn't know better I'd go there and think you guys were dead in the water - when actually you are an extremely vibrant organization.

Get with the program and change the culture...

~Adam Ganz
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« Reply #1: October 22, 2009, 11:21:24 am »

From:         John G. Lussmyer (Cougar@CasaDelGato.Com)
Sent:    Thu 10/22/09 11:02 AM
To:    seva@seattleeva.org

Adam Ganz wrote:
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> The BBS is SEARCHABLE and you only have to ask and answer questions
> once.  Then you ask folk posting Q's to kindly use the search function
> for the answers...

And many of us don't have the time or inclination to bring up a web browser to Yet Another site with a BBS, just to check to see if there is anything new.

Email gathers it all into one spot, very quick to check, delete, reply.  I'm a member of about 20 groups with significant list activity.  If I had to pop to a different web page and wait for the slow, graphics intensive refresh of each one, I wouldn't bother checking them often, if at all.  I'd only take a look when I have a question, and probably would never answer questions since I wouldn't be normally reading it.
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« Reply #2: October 22, 2009, 11:21:49 am »

Why don't you RSS enable the forum and then any changes could be pushed to you...

The Brand SEVA is suffering and your organization is your brand.

Right now you can't point an group mail list and say "look this is what we know" "we are the experts"...
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« Reply #3: October 22, 2009, 11:31:24 am »

This could work...   John L.  Only took me 27 seconds to call this UP.   

I have to admit, I have not used the FORUM as much as I could...

And some one might write me privately ( stevenslough@comcast.net )
and give me a few pointers on how to maximize the Forum thing,....  Like what did he mean by
RSS .... and so on...
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« Reply #4: October 22, 2009, 11:49:20 am »

And only took me a second to post this conversation...but could be fact, link to news, or query.

Then when you post it your browser will give you a unique URL for the posting that you cut and paste onto the the group email with your initial question.

UNDER that URL you have some boilerplate that says ***Do not respond to this thread on email list***

Then you "keep the noise level down" on email and if people want to get in pissing matches then that negative tone isn't broadcasting to the world. It has it's place for sure. I'm all about questioning "The man"...

The pissing I'm finding is a minority here at SEVA. What I'm finding is I'm learning a lot and loving it BUT I know that all that learning is being lost - dispersed into email boxes outside of the organization. Again that Garage thread is the perfect case in point...

RSS would be very fancy and not sure if possible being only a consumer of technology not a producer. But some folks here have to work in software?  How about that kid selling the Geo Metro that works for MS - could someone like him help? 

Anyway, RSS stands for Real Simple Syndication and it's what blogs use to broadcast changes to them. So you can "subscribe" to the blog and then every time it changes it pushes that change out to you.  It comes to you via a blog reader or now is a build right into browsers...

But that's not necessary. Does only take a few seconds more. And come on, graphics intensive?  Not really. Unless you are using an antique of a computer.  I have an 85 year old friend that gets email on his television from WebTV (an MS product that died in 1999) and he can log into BBS's no problem.

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« Reply #5: October 25, 2009, 09:03:26 pm »

The forums/bbs does support RSS and ATOM news feeds per each individual board or for the entire forum, look for these icons : . RSS stands for Real Simple Syndication, read more about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS and try using http://reader.google.com as your feed reader, which will be accessible from any computer...

Our maillist does have two archives which are both linked to from here http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Maillist. I prefer that people use the Yahoo Group archive instead of my internal archive which can be somewhat slower.  I also really want to find a way to import the archive into the forums but I have not figured out how to do that yet.
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« Reply #6: November 06, 2009, 02:08:48 pm »

Would like to offer an observation.  In industry you find information architects who concern themselves with database design for easily searched knowledge (first we have data, which is aggregated into information, then into knowledge).  Using logged e-mail is a practical solution, though not as elegant as possible.

Seems to me its a hard job satisfying whatever idea anybody could think up.  If you are interested in net-zero home energy as I am, you are likely already aware that Home Power magazine (subscription is around $35/yr) archives all their articles for the same kind of member access discussed here.  Having articles to archive is different than having a message string which may span a lot of topics.

Setting up a SEVA Newsletter is a possible option, which has the advantage of organizing important information into coherent narratives (shotgun e-mail strings, though interesting and enjoyable to join, don't collect info into library content).  Yes its more work, and the result is more value in terms of accessible information density.  My bet is that there are SEVA members who know of newsletter topics that span several knowledge areas, with willing and skilled authors who would organize their knowledge for common benefit.  Getting your name in print is a big motivator and gets you really focused.

http://www.homepower.com/home/
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« Reply #7: November 06, 2009, 08:11:35 pm »

What you describe is pretty much how the http://eaa-phev.org website came about and was developed, and the SEVA website for that matter.  I used to spend a few hours each day combing through the seva, eaa-phev, and evdl maillists and other sources looking for useful information and then distilled that information the pages that make up the websites.  But it has been a number of years since I've had the time to do that sort of thing and the websites were "mature" enough that they didn't need that level of continuous development.  Of course now their content could be considered somewhat stale and I truly wish that I had to time to put in the same level of work to keep them as "fresh" as they once were.  You will notice on many of the core pages that there are reference sections to news and products that might be useful and relate to the topic of the page.  In the end very few people on either the PHEV nor SEVA community jumped into the wiki websites to lend a hand at adding additional information and refining the content of the pages found there, A few did but not enough.

Both websites have always supported RSS and Atom new feeds via their Recentchanges pages:
* http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges
* http://www.eaa-phev.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges

For example, these pages represent everything that I know about the topic of these pages:
* http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Chevrolet_S10_EV (Notice the "Per SEVA_Maillist:2007./7./163" and "Y!" links to a maillist post, the Y! link works better)
* http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Chevy_Volt (Notice the news section indicating that I pretty much stopped following and adding links more than a year ago).
* http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Category:BEV_components (This is a Category page on the site, Categories are like Tags and used to organize things)
* http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/Fuels (This is the top page for "Fuels" and would also be a good place to add new content regarding your main interest of "net-zero home energy")

In the end It should be easy for anyone to participate fully in the maillist, this forum, and the wiki website.  My intention with running them is to allow members of the organization and community to participate in whichever way they desire.  Obviously email is the easiest for people to use, and the forums should be nearly as simple, even the wiki website "should" be very simple for anyone to interact with and I'm always watching to help cleanup, fix, and help anyone who encounters trouble.  In the end all it takes is a little bit of time and persistence to become fully proficient with any one of or all of these services.  While I can not force nor coax anyone to give up their free time nor make them learn new skills or become familiar with web technologies that are new to them I've done my best to choose the most easy to use yet powerful of these three types of services cross link all of these resources.

About each Services:
Maillist - This is as simple as it gets and anyone with an email address can use it, thus it has the lowest entry level and gets the most use but also has the most noise.
Forums - Very similar to the maillist but easier to organize, search, filter, and manage.  The Forums can be moderated and have additional features such as Personal Messages and Calendars built in.  But it requires slightly more effort to learn and use, thus the noise level is lower although the quality of the content should be higher.
Wiki Website - Not unlike the other two the website is fully interactive for anyone to participate with by adding new content or updating existing content.  It takes more effort to use but the results are far more rich and persistent information.

I could be wrong, but the way I see it we don't need more or "better" maillists or new services as the ones we have should fulfill the full scope of what is required.  People just need to put the time and effort into using what we already have, it requires substantially more effort to refine information into ever more useful forms.  Some of that effort has to go into learning how to use new tools.  I hope that I don't come across as condescending or as having abandoned these projects, there is simply only so much time in a given day and my attentions are shifted primarily elsewhere but rest assured that I am still here to help in any way that I can...
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« Reply #8: November 08, 2009, 07:27:47 pm »

It is said you cannot satisfy all the people all the time.  If you hit 90% I think you are doing just fine.  I think you have done that and as far as I am concerned you get an attaboy.

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