EVents 2010 04 13 - Revision history

Rjf: wikify

2010-05-08T20:44:16Z

wikify

24.17.126.60: /* April 13th 2010 Meeting */

2010-05-08T19:09:53Z

April 13th 2010 Meeting

Rjf: wikify

2010-04-28T22:36:53Z

wikify

76.104.189.159: /* April 13th 2010 Meeting */

2010-04-28T22:02:13Z

April 13th 2010 Meeting

76.104.189.159: /* April 13th 2010 Meeting */

2010-04-28T18:35:59Z

April 13th 2010 Meeting

Rjf: Initial Page.

2010-02-27T06:15:28Z

Initial Page.

New page

{{Minutes}}

==April 13th 2010 Meeting==

@@ Line 44: / Line 44: @@
 Johnsen began the meeting by announcing upcoming EVents:
-April 17, Earth Day in Port Townsend 10am-4pm contact Bridgid @ 515-865-8123
+Long time member and EV racer Don “FT” Crabtree announced that the Wayland Invitational would be happening at Infineon Raceway this year. Check out http://www.nedra.com for specific date information when it is available and look forward to a faster lighter weight lithium powered White Zombie!!
 Speaking of high performance EVs, the meeting then moved along to talking about what was new since last meeting. Member and former road racer Dan Davids shared some high performance driving tips and gave a detailed description of taking Tom Saxton’s Tesla Roadster to the limit around the Pacific Grand Prix (small very curvy track just outside of Pacific Raceways). The PGP owner has been to a SEVA meeting before and is EV friendly! Other members including Roger Wright will be installing some 240V outlets to make charging easier but even without charging, the Tesla’s sped around the track burning nothing but rubber. By disabling the roadster’s traction control and fiddling with  the ABS, Dan was able to get better control over the vehicle and push its limits to the max to blast through the corners.  Tesla roadsters generally average 260-280 watt/hours per mile under normal driving conditions but Tom Saxton said roadsters at the track that day were getting up to 800Wh/mile. Then with Dan Davids at the wheel the Wh/mile reading literally went off the chart on Tom’s car’s display  coming in at over 1,500 Watt hours per mile!  WOW! The batteries stayed perfectly cool and there were no problems with inverters or motors overheating on the cold day either.
@@ Line 59: / Line 58: @@
 SEVA members have been working with SSCC and the upcoming SSCC EV technology classes include:
-April 24 – Intro to AC Drives by Dan Bentler (at the North campus)
+There will also likely be another conversion class intensive to convert a motorcycle in September. Visit http://www.learnatsouth.org for more information
 Next Chad Schwitters and Dan Davids with some input from Jeremy Smithson of Puget Sound Solar shared about the Solar Charging Station at the new Shoreline City Hall. The fact is the city hall has gone green, installing a large 20kW array of Made-in-Washington solar panels and tied it to the grid. There are 2 parking spaces beneath the array with 240V 30Amp Twist-lock L6-30 connectors for EV charging! Yay Shoreline!
-Dan Davids who also happens to be the President of Plug In America reported excellent news about Nissan’s bold EV plans and his tour of the Tennessee factory where the LEAF EV will be built. Davids mentioned that Nissan had been working on the Leaf 5 years ago but mostly keeping it under wraps. Stephen Johnsen reminded everyone that Nissan’s Altra EV was the only vehicle of the 1990s OEM EVs to use lithium ion batteries. Dan mentioned that Nissan was planning to make the leasing options VERY attractive. He also noted that the batteries themselves would go with the vehicle so if you buy a leaf you get it and its battery pack too (earlier rumors were that the pack might be on a separate lease. Brian Hughes aptly stated, “So batteries ARE included!”  
+Dan Davids who also happens to be the President of Plug In America reported excellent news about Nissan’s bold EV plans and his tour of the Tennessee factory where the LEAF EV will be built. Davids mentioned that Nissan had been working on the Leaf 5 years ago but mostly keeping it under wraps. Stephen Johnsen reminded everyone that Nissan’s Altra EV was the only vehicle of the 1990s OEM EVs to use lithium ion batteries. Dan mentioned that Nissan was planning to make the leasing options VERY attractive. He also noted that the batteries themselves would go with the vehicle so if you buy a leaf you get it and its battery pack too (earlier rumors were that the pack might be on a separate lease. Brian Hughes aptly stated, “So batteries ARE included!”
 Dan said that the first 50,000 LEAFs would be built in Japan while the Tennessee factory is being prepared. If you buy a regular LEAF from Nissan it will be available with an Aerovironment charger. If you sign up for  “The EV Project”  DOE/eTec study then your LEAF will come with an eTec charger and also a level 3 rapid charging port in addition to the standard J1772 level 2 port.

@@ Line 7: / Line 7: @@
 See you all May 11th.   Steve Lough ----------
 Dan Davids shared his adventure racing the Tesla around a track, including many tips from his younger days as a race car driver, like you don't actually turn the wheel to steer through a turn, you accelerate more or less, which shifts the weight and causes the car to turn one way or the other.
@@ Line 34: / Line 33: @@
 * The trip included a tour of their very impressive factory -- two lines (one for unibody, one for framed vehicles, 5000 employees, 5.2 million square feet, can produce a car every 27 seconds, highly robotic plant (robots don't mind working in the dark, so lights can be off or dimed to save energy, employees are excided about the Leaf, the first 50,000 Leaf's (not Leaves) will be produced in Japan, nearby battery factory is under construction, not all Leaf's will have level 3 chargers onboard [ed.- I think eTec program cars will, and when I signed up for a place in line the web site mentioned that the trim line upgraded included the level 3 chargers]
 * Nissan will be working with "hand raisers" who sign up between now and August to get out more info prior to the ordering process which is to start in August.

@@ Line 6: / Line 6: @@
 Cory Cross, for POSTING to SEVA minutes of the meeting here below.
 See you all May 11th.   Steve Lough ----------
---------------------
 Dan Davids shared his adventure racing the Tesla around a track, including many tips from his younger days as a race car driver, like you don't actually turn the wheel to steer through a turn, you accelerate more or less, which shifts the weight and causes the car to turn one way or the other.
@@ Line 25: / Line 26: @@
 One other highlight was a second presentation by Dan Davids with Q&A about Plug-in America's visit to the Nissan Factory in Tennessee:
--PIA has a good relationship with Nissan Management.
+* PIA has a good relationship with Nissan Management.
--Nissan has a great deal of respect for PIA and has been tracking them for quite some time
+* Nissan has a great deal of respect for PIA and has been tracking them for quite some time
--PIA's carefully considered acceptance of a donation from Nissan
+* PIA's carefully considered acceptance of a donation from Nissan
--Nissan has been developing the Leaf for 5 years [ed.-wish I'd have known that 2 years ago]
+* Nissan has been developing the Leaf for 5 years [ed.-wish I'd have known that 2 years ago]
--The plans for marketing of the Leaf over the rest of this year
+* The plans for marketing of the Leaf over the rest of this year
--The fact that the idea of leasing the battery while buying the car has been abandoned -- but that the car (complete with battery) will be available for sale or lease
+* The fact that the idea of leasing the battery while buying the car has been abandoned -- but that the car (complete with battery) will be available for sale or lease
--The trip included a tour of their very impressive factory -- two lines (one for unibody, one for framed vehicles, 5000 employees, 5.2 million square feet, can produce a car every 27 seconds, highly robotic plant (robots don't mind working in the dark, so lights can be off or dimed to save energy, employees are excided about the Leaf, the first 50,000 Leaf's (not Leaves) will be produced in Japan, nearby battery factory is under construction, not all Leaf's will have level 3 chargers onboard [ed.- I think eTec program cars will, and when I signed up for a place in line the web site mentioned that the trim line upgraded included the level 3 chargers]
+* The trip included a tour of their very impressive factory -- two lines (one for unibody, one for framed vehicles, 5000 employees, 5.2 million square feet, can produce a car every 27 seconds, highly robotic plant (robots don't mind working in the dark, so lights can be off or dimed to save energy, employees are excided about the Leaf, the first 50,000 Leaf's (not Leaves) will be produced in Japan, nearby battery factory is under construction, not all Leaf's will have level 3 chargers onboard [ed.- I think eTec program cars will, and when I signed up for a place in line the web site mentioned that the trim line upgraded included the level 3 chargers]
--Nissan will be working with "hand raisers" who sign up between now and August to get out more info prior to the ordering process which is to start in August.
+* Nissan will be working with "hand raisers" who sign up between now and August to get out more info prior to the ordering process which is to start in August.

← Older revision		Revision as of 22:02, 28 April 2010
Line 21:		Line 21:

	The room was pretty full. Before the meeting, someone (sorry I forgot who) brought their new conversion with Lithium and a Zilla with a GIANT reservoir -- what was that, 10 gallons!? And a few more cars...		The room was pretty full. Before the meeting, someone (sorry I forgot who) brought their new conversion with Lithium and a Zilla with a GIANT reservoir -- what was that, 10 gallons!? And a few more cars...
		+
		+	One more ITEM, thanks to Dean:
		+
		+	One other highlight was a second presentation by Dan Davids with Q&A about Plug-in America's visit to the Nissan Factory in Tennessee:
		+	-PIA has a good relationship with Nissan Management.
		+	-Nissan has a great deal of respect for PIA and has been tracking them for quite some time
		+	-PIA's carefully considered acceptance of a donation from Nissan
		+	-Nissan has been developing the Leaf for 5 years [ed.-wish I'd have known that 2 years ago]
		+	-The plans for marketing of the Leaf over the rest of this year
		+	-The fact that the idea of leasing the battery while buying the car has been abandoned -- but that the car (complete with battery) will be available for sale or lease
		+	-The trip included a tour of their very impressive factory -- two lines (one for unibody, one for framed vehicles, 5000 employees, 5.2 million square feet, can produce a car every 27 seconds, highly robotic plant (robots don't mind working in the dark, so lights can be off or dimed to save energy, employees are excided about the Leaf, the first 50,000 Leaf's (not Leaves) will be produced in Japan, nearby battery factory is under construction, not all Leaf's will have level 3 chargers onboard [ed.- I think eTec program cars will, and when I signed up for a place in line the web site mentioned that the trim line upgraded included the level 3 chargers]
		+	-Nissan will be working with "hand raisers" who sign up between now and August to get out more info prior to the ordering process which is to start in August.

← Older revision		Revision as of 18:35, 28 April 2010
Line 2:		Line 2:

	==April 13th 2010 Meeting==		==April 13th 2010 Meeting==
		+
		+	Thanks be to Stephen Johnsen for standing in for us as Meeting Moderator, and to
		+	Cory Cross, for POSTING to SEVA minutes of the meeting here below.
		+	See you all May 11th. Steve Lough ----------
		+	--------------------
		+
		+	Dan Davids shared his adventure racing the Tesla around a track, including many tips from his younger days as a race car driver, like you don't actually turn the wheel to steer through a turn, you accelerate more or less, which shifts the weight and causes the car to turn one way or the other.
		+
		+	Chad Schwitters spoke about driving all the way from here to California (LA? San Diego?) in his Tesla. One tip; when going to an RV park, do not ask for 240V, ask for "50 Amp Service" and you'll get high-power charging.
		+
		+	Dave Cloud showed more pictures of his streamlined Geo to oohs and ahhs from the crowd. He ran tests comparing powering both motors (1/2 power each) or just one motor while cruising and, I believe, did not measure any difference in efficiency between the two.
		+
		+	Larry Gales presented on what the ideal electric bicycle should look like and would like help refining it further. He e-mailed to the list after the meeting.
		+
		+	Cory Cross showed off Pacific EV's new BMS before the meeting and tried to give a warning about undervolting motors yielding poor performance, but there wasn't enough time. Next month!
		+
		+	I think I missed someone...
		+
		+	The room was pretty full. Before the meeting, someone (sorry I forgot who) brought their new conversion with Lithium and a Zilla with a GIANT reservoir -- what was that, 10 gallons!? And a few more cars...